Timeline Question

[Bobthewebguy]

Just been reviewing Ezekial 38 & 39
We know that in the middle of the trib, the AC will set himself up as GOD. Israel is in trouble at that point.
They are not dwelling in safety!
We know that the War of Gog and Magog happens when Israel IS DWELLING IN SAFETY.
THEREFORE THE WAR OF GOG AND MAGOG MUST HAPPEN BEFORE THE MID TRIB POINT.
We also know that the Israel will be burning the weapons from the war, for 7 years.
Does that mean that the Gog war will take place on the first day of the trib? Or will Israel be burning the weapons during the millennium?

[Resurrection Torchlight]

There are a lot of differing views as to when the battle of Ezekiel 38/39 occurs. personally I believe it will begin around the midpoint and continue until Jesus returns to end it. I do believe that the weapons will be burned during the Millennium.

RT

[carpentersdaughter]

Yes, there are several different views as to the timing of this. IT is for the very reason of the seven year clean up that I believe that the gog/Magog prophecy happens just the AC makes his treaty with Israel. I believe that when Jesus comes back, He will cleans this earth and there will be no need for the clean up. I do believe that this prophecy will enable the Ac to make his treaty with Israel. Until that point, the Muslims will not go for anything but when they are desimated at this judgement from God, they will no longer have a voice or anything to stand on to argue against the Temple being built and a treaty being signed.

I think Islam will come to it's end of bulliness at the Gog/Magog war.

[SwordofGideon]

Yes, there are several different views as to the timing of this. IT is for the very reason of the seven year clean up that I believe that the gog/Magog prophecy happens just the AC makes his treaty with Israel. I believe that when Jesus comes back, He will cleans this earth and there will be no need for the clean up. I do believe that this prophecy will enable the Ac to make his treaty with Israel. Until that point, the Muslims will not go for anything but when they are desimated at this judgement from God, they will no longer have a voice or anything to stand on to argue against the Temple being built and a treaty being signed.

I think Islam will come to it's end of bulliness at the Gog/Magog war.

My thoughts exactly.

[Mttw633]

I just listened to this yesterday, it's not very long but it's informative.
According to the shortest book in the Bible, the Jews will someday destroy the Palestinians! The Hebrew prophet Obadiah predicted about 2500 years ago that the Israeli Defense Forces will, once and for all, put an end to Palestinian terror. The 403 mile wall under construction in Israel today separates the Palestinians for their coming destruction, so suggests David Bay of Cutting Edge Ministries. David believes that the climactic concluding Psalm 83 Arab – Israeli War is about to happen and the Palestinian prognosis is devastating!

Furthermore, David Bay believes Israel may not attack Iran’s nuclear facilities like many analysts suggest. He reminds us that unfulfilled prophecy dictates Iran must remain strong in order to fulfill their military role in the Russian led invasion of Israel described Ezekiel 38 & 39.

This week on the Prophecy Update Radio program, host Bill Salus, interviews David Bay of Cutting Edge Ministries in a two part interview about the above MIDEAST PROPHECIES, the ILLUMINATI’S coming NEW WORLD ORDER, the NEW AGE movement, and as well as many other critical end time’s topics. David Bay has an extensive military and prophetic background and deposits with the listeners’ new intelligence insights about these last days.
LISTEN NOW - Part One
http://www.kwbb.org/10-23-09_PT1.mp3

[SwordofGideon]

I just listened to this yesterday, it's not very long but it's informative.
According to the shortest book in the Bible, the Jews will someday destroy the Palestinians! The Hebrew prophet Obadiah predicted about 2500 years ago that the Israeli Defense Forces will, once and for all, put an end to Palestinian terror. The 403 mile wall under construction in Israel today separates the Palestinians for their coming destruction, so suggests David Bay of Cutting Edge Ministries. David believes that the climactic concluding Psalm 83 Arab – Israeli War is about to happen and the Palestinian prognosis is devastating!

Furthermore, David Bay believes Israel may not attack Iran’s nuclear facilities like many analysts suggest. He reminds us that unfulfilled prophecy dictates Iran must remain strong in order to fulfill their military role in the Russian led invasion of Israel described Ezekiel 38 & 39.

This week on the Prophecy Update Radio program, host Bill Salus, interviews David Bay of Cutting Edge Ministries in a two part interview about the above MIDEAST PROPHECIES, the ILLUMINATI’S coming NEW WORLD ORDER, the NEW AGE movement, and as well as many other critical end time’s topics. David Bay has an extensive military and prophetic background and deposits with the listeners’ new intelligence insights about these last days.
LISTEN NOW - Part One
http://www.kwbb.org/10-23-09_PT1.mp3

Most people figured Israel would have attacked by now, tho I still think it's a possibility. It could be the thing that starts the Psalm's 83 war. In any case I don't think an attack would weaken Iran, just infuriate them. Add the aftermath of Psalm's 83 war on top of that and its a great motivation for Ezekiel 's War.

[Seeker]

Hi Bob,

Just been reviewing Ezekial 38 & 39
We know that in the middle of the trib, the AC will set himself up as GOD. Israel is in trouble at that point.
They are not dwelling in safety!
We know that the War of Gog and Magog happens when Israel IS DWELLING IN SAFETY.
THEREFORE THE WAR OF GOG AND MAGOG MUST HAPPEN BEFORE THE MID TRIB POINT.

That is not the only possibility. Daniel 9 talks about a covenant with many at the start of the last 7 years. That covenant could be a peace treaty between Israel and her Arab neighbors. In the middle of the last 7 years the AC breaks the covenant by attacking Israel thus starting the Gog/Magog event. Israel dwelling safely because of the AC's false peace. Then while their guard is down the AC/Gog attacks Israel.

Eze 38:14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

This sounds like to me it could mean Gog knows they are dwelling safely because he initiated the safety by the covenant with many. God says He spoke of Gog by the prophets of Israel. More than one prophet speaks of Gog in the bible. Find a story that shows armies defeated by the Lord while invading Israel followed by Israel returning to the Lord and you will be reading about Gog. The Gog war will begin around the middle of the last 7 years since Gog and the AC are one and the same.

Peace,
Seeker

[WilliamL]

Many false assumptions are stated in "Timeline Question." No passage in scripture says that the Great Tribulation lasts seven years. None. That is pure presumption. The Great Trib lasts only a short time, covering the first 5 seals of Rev. 6, ending at the great heavenly and earthly signs of the 6th Seal = Matthew 24:29's "Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken." The "shortened" days of the Trib (Matt. 24:22) PRECEDE most of the end time events, which take place afterward during the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls. All of this is explained on my website, and "The End Times for Dummies" series of articles on FP.

Below is an excerpt from my "Second Witness" article, previously posted on FP, also on my website at
ourchurch.com/member/d/dummies . It shows why the Gog/Magog war is the LAST event of the End Times, not the first or middle.

7th Bowl: "[T]hunderings and lightnings...a mighty and GREAT EARTHQUAKE...GREAT HAIL from heaven." Jesus—YESHUA—and the armies of heaven descend to destroy the armies gathered together against them. The Beast and the False Prophet are CAPTURED ALIVE, and "CAST INTO" the lake of fire. Rev. 16:17-21; 19:11-21

[These things were foreshadowed when] Joshua—YESHUA—and the Israelites defeated the many armies gathered together against them on 'the day the sun stood still.' "[T]he EARTH TREMBLED AND SHOOK" amidst a great storm (Jasher 89:15), and GREAT HAILstones fell from heaven. The Canaanite armies were routed and slaughtered, and their kings were CAPTURED ALIVE and "CAST INTO" a cave. Josh. 10

The Armageddon battle of the 7th Bowl and Revelation 19 is that of Ezekiel 38-39, the only other place God mentions using "great hailstones" in war. Ezek. 38:22 Both passages also tell about God's great feast for the birds:

Come, gather together to the supper of the great God, that you may eat the flesh of kings...[and] mighty men, [etc.]... Rev. 19:17-19

...come, gather together...to my sacrificial meal...that you may...eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of princes, [etc.]... Ezek. 39:17-18

This is also the time of the battle of Zechariah 14:

Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations... [I]t shall be one [unique] day that is known to the LORD...at evening it shall be light. Zech. 14:3, 7

Compare Joshua 10:13-14 :

So the sun...did not hasten to go down... And there has been no day like that before...for the LORD fought for Israel.

Zechariah 14 focuses on the battle for Jerusalem, while Ezekiel 38-39 focuses on the greater battle against the assembled armies gathered in the Plain of Esdraelon/Megiddo. However, both passages, as also revelation 16:18, speak of the tremendous earthquake to take place. Ezek. 38:19-20; Zech. 14:4-5 Both also say that among the invaders, "every man's sword will be against his brother." Ezek. 38:21; Zech. 14:13 So this is all one continuous conflict, fought over a wide area, in which the Lord personally fights. In Joshua's day, the king of Jerusalem was the leader of the assembled heathen armies: this was a foreshadowing of the Latter Day battle for Jerusalem.

After this battle, all nations must assemble yearly to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles (Zech. 14:16). Therefore, this war is the LAST event of the End Times that precedes the Millennial/Golden Age.

--William