The State II: Uncovering the Truth

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:45 pm

keithareilly wrote:
brett wrote:
keithareilly wrote:
That argument means ancient Israel was not a true Israel and that Satan must have also setup Ancient Israel.
Do you really believe that?

Keith


No it doesn't - it means after Christ a new covenant was in effect and the old one was replaced. Israel was no longer used by God as it was in the past. Israel was replaced by believers ..... "replacement theology".

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So you are saying what God promised when He promised Abraham his decendents would inherit the land changed in meaning. When God promised Abraham it meant one thing, Now, because Christ came that promise is void because the definitions of the words have chnaged? So, God is not going to keep His origianl promise because of a change in the definition of Israel?

Do you really believe that?


No I'm not saying that - Abraham's promise is to believers, not unbelievers. Abraham's descendants are the children of the promise, those who BELIEVE like Abraham believed are the descendants of Abraham, he is the father of many nations. Followers of Judaism are unbelievers, if you don't have the Son then you don't have the Father, that makes them unbelievers, because they have not believed the gospel.


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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby keithareilly on Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:02 pm

Brett,

You have just said "No" then argued "yes".

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:05 pm

keithareilly wrote:Brett,

You have just said "No" then argued "yes".

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Abrahams descendants who are heirs to the promise are not physical descendants. That's what I'm saying "no" to. Abraham's descendants (who are heirs to the promise) are those who believe like Abraham believed. This is explained very clearly in the New Testament.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:12 pm

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In fact the promise was actually made to Christ.

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby keithareilly on Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:14 pm

Brett,

Those who were in ancient Israel were genetic descendants in accordance with the promise God made Abraham.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:15 pm

keithareilly wrote:Brett,

Those who were in ancient Israel were genetic descendants in accordance with the promise God made Abraham.

Keith


Keith the New Testament answers all your questions:

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


It doesn't get any clearer than that !

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby keithareilly on Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:08 pm

Brett,

How were those in ancient Israel the seed?
If they were not the seed then how is it that Ancient Israel was not a kingdom of Satan?
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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:22 am

keithareilly wrote:Brett,

How were those in ancient Israel the seed?
If they were not the seed then how is it that Ancient Israel was not a kingdom of Satan?


It was similar in Old Israel as it is now in modern times. Some people were saved some were not. When Israel was right with God it had leaders that were SAVED and leading the nation correctly. However it was similar to today how there is always a present enemy within, an opposition to God, not all Israelite's back then were saved, it was never perfect, but the old Israel did have its moments of doing Great Exploits for God under SAVED Leadership.

Old Testament saints were saved by the blood of Christ just as much as we are today. The only difference is they didn't have the full revelation or full knowledge of exactly HOW God would save them, they rather believed in faith that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would be able to justify them and save them. They couldn't call on the NAME of Jesus because that name hadn't been revealed yet - but they could call upon the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in FAITH and be saved.

So as Abraham had FAITH accredited to him as RIGHTEOUSNESS - so to all believing Israelites over the centuries had their FAITH in God accredited to them and RIGHTEOUSNESS. That's what made them saved. Which is pretty much the same way we are saved now, we believe in FAITH that Christ died for our sins and was raised from the dead, and that BELIEF (faith in Christ) is what makes us saved. Now that new revelation and knowledge has been given, people today are REQUIRED to believe upon the name of JESUS, there is no other name by which man can be saved. That's still true for Old Testaments saints, however the name hadn't been revealed, so they didn't have the knowledge of the specific name - and were not required to know that name in order to be saved. Today we are required to call on the NAME of JESUS.

So that's how Old Testament saints (of Israel) were the SEED, they had to be believers back then too. Those who were living in Old Israel but were not believers - they were not saved.

At the time of Christ's first coming, those who mourned Christs death were believers, they were the seed and they became CHRISTIANS, followers of Jesus Christ and then as you know - not long after Christ's departure - Old Israel as a nation ceased to exist. That was the END of Israel - until JESUS Christ would come again as KING to set it up again - that's what's going to happen in the MILLENNIUM, NOT BEFORE.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby shorttribber on Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:40 am

brett wrote:not long after Christ's departure - Old Israel as a nation ceased to exist. That was the END of Israel - until JESUS Christ would come again as KING to set it up again - that's what's going to happen in the MILLENNIUM, NOT BEFORE.

That's not what the scriptures say brett. The scriptures do not say that at all.
The scripture says...when the fullness of the gentiles come in...their blindness ends. If they are no longer blind, then they see. We are not told that their blindness remains until Christ returns.

If that is the case, as you say, then show us the scripture that states that please.
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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:05 am

shorttribber wrote:
brett wrote:not long after Christ's departure - Old Israel as a nation ceased to exist. That was the END of Israel - until JESUS Christ would come again as KING to set it up again - that's what's going to happen in the MILLENNIUM, NOT BEFORE.

That's not what the scriptures say brett. The scriptures do not say that at all.
The scripture says...when the fullness of the gentiles come in...their blindness ends. If they are no longer blind, then they see. We are not told that their blindness remains until Christ returns.

If that is the case, as you say, then show us the scripture that states that please.


Ok strap on your seat belt ST, here we go......

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


Luke 21
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


Rev 11
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.


The times of the Gentiles shall be fulfilled 3.5 years after the AOD, this is when Jerusalem will be trodden underfoot by the Gentiles and the 2 witnesses prophecy. It will end with the start of the millennium, this is the last 3.5 years of this AGE - THAT'S when the fullness of the Gentiles will finally come in.

SO THERE WILL BE NO MORE BLINDNESS UPON ISRAEL WHEN THE MILLENNIUM STARTS.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


The Deliver is JESUS CHRIST. This is Jesus Christ setting up His millennial Kingdom in ISRAEL - creating the TRUE nation of Israel, finally restoring Israel fully. Can you imagine a better Israel than one Jesus rules over?

Matthew 19
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


The REGENERATION is the RESURRECTION that happens just before the MILLENNIUM starts. Remember at the rapture the DEAD IN CHRIST RISE FROM THEIR GRAVES - that includes Old Testament saints. The disciples will sit on 12 thrones judging over RESURRECTED OLD TESTAMENT SAINTS, the literal 12 tribes of Israel. Not modern day Christ Rejecting Jews.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby keithareilly on Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:23 am

Brett,

How does the First and Second Kingdom of Jerusalem fit into your theory?
(This is when Catholics Crusaders ruled Jerusalem 1099-1187, 1192-1291)

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby shorttribber on Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:46 am

Now, I will post my request to you again....
shorttribber wrote:The scripture says...when the fullness of the gentiles come in...their blindness ends. If they are no longer blind, then they see. We are not told that their blindness remains until Christ returns.
If that is the case, as you say, then show us the scripture that states that please.

Now, you say this....
brett wrote:The times of the Gentiles shall be fulfilled 3.5 years after the AOD, this is when Jerusalem will be trodden underfoot by the Gentiles and the 2 witnesses prophecy. It will end with the start of the millennium, this is the last 3.5 years of this AGE - THAT'S when the fullness of the Gentiles will finally come in.SO THERE WILL BE NO MORE BLINDNESS UPON ISRAEL WHEN THE MILLENNIUM STARTS.

You have shown the length of time that Jerusalem will be trampled of the gentiles, "The Times of the gentiles".
What you have not included in your assessment of that time is the Wrath of God that still remains after that time.
The Wrath of God must be complete also, BEFORE Your Timing IDEA of WHEN the First 24 hour day of the millennium begins.
Now, I know When You Believe the "Wrath of God" Begins. You Believe it begins "Ten Days" after the AOD (That's what you've mentioned before). Simply put, Because you believe that, does not Also make it True.

Now, IF what you say about the Timing of the Wrath of God IS TRUE, then you would be correct about the blindness ending After the Rapture/Gathering/Resurrection.
Your Timing though, is in error. That can't be proven here, in this One Thread....that requires many , Many more threads......that's why there are so many in the debate section :grin:


Now, I will show you When their Blindness Ends, BEFORE Christ Returns, and that would occur BEFORE the Wrath of God Actually Begins.

Math 23
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Now, does the text say Christ Shall be SEEN of them BEFORE, or AFTER They Understand WHO Christ is, and call Him Blessed?

After, Correct? Christ will be SEEN of them After that, Not BEFORE that.


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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:31 pm

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Too much to answer, this will go on forever guys :eek: Are you both trying to wear me out? :grin: Short answers to your questions:

Keith - the Catholic Crusades mean nothing.

ST - Wrath is 75 days after AOD. You must have misunderstood what I said in the past, or at least remembered it wrongly. Please go back and read what I said again. Regarding Matthew 23 - Is Jesus saying this "In the future there will be a Last Days generation of followers of Judaism that will say 'Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord'. And then I will come." Is Jesus prophecising this will happen? No, Jesus is saying that the only way they could see Him henceforth is if they accepted a believer (follower of Him) in their midst. There is no declaring that this would happen in the future, its just what would be REQUIRED. They will not do it.

John 5
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.


They will receive the Anti-Christ, not Jesus Christ.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby shorttribber on Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:33 pm

brett wrote:ST - Wrath is 75 days after AOD. You must have misunderstood what I said in the past, or at least remembered it wrongly.


I did remember in error. Yes, you did say that about 75 days after the AOD. Either way, that is still error, and the Wrath does not occur then. But that is another subject and can't be addressed in this thread.
brett wrote: Is Jesus saying this "In the future there will be a Last Days generation of followers of Judaism that will say 'Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord'. And then I will come." Is Jesus prophecising this will happen? No, Jesus is saying that the only way they could see Him henceforth is if they accepted a believer (follower of Him) in their midst. There is no declaring that this would happen in the future, its just what would be REQUIRED. They will not do it.


As to Jesus making a prophecy that will not occur, not so, it will happen, just as He said.

You can believe the opposite...I will look for other scriptures that will add to the repentance and calling on God before Christ Physically appears.
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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby keithareilly on Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:21 pm

Brett

Catholics believe Jesus is the Son of God. Yes, they believe other things too. Nevertheless, they believe Jesus is the Son of God and that He died for our sins.

Because this is true, the occupation of Jerusalem by Catholics satisfies your definition of true Israel in the promised land.
Quite frankly, so many people then believed as you believe now, that the Crusades were in part a result of what you believe.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:33 pm

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Keith I feel like we"re moving onto obscure topics.

.I'm not really interested in just WINNING. I'm more wanting to actually help someone' i.e. actually achieve something with my posts. I don't feel like I'm achieving much atm. I've given a lot of my time & thought to give proper answers but it feels like time wasted. It seems no amount of scripture or answering questions will achieve anything with you or ST. As such I'll stop posting for a while, at least until there's a better angle/topic to discuss regarding this issue.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby keithareilly on Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:41 pm

Brett,

I don't find this obscure.

Your stated position is that only believers in Christ can be the true Israel and that when true believers occupy Israel that is when Christ returns.

I have pointed out that your definition of true believers occupying Israel has indeed occurred in the past.
History proves your view is not accurate.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:04 am

keithareilly wrote:Brett,

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and that when true believers occupy Israel that is when Christ returns.
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Keith


That's not actually what I believe. I don't have time to elaborate now - but the answer should be in a previous post I made.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby keithareilly on Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:25 am

Brett,

Let me be more specific in my question.

If the gathering of believers, not genetic decedents of Abraham, is required for a true Israel in the promised land, why does the occupation of the promised land during the crusades by believers in Christ fail to fit the prophetic definition of Israel being reborn by gathering Abraham's decedents back to the promised land?

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:43 am

keithareilly wrote:Brett,

Let me be more specific in my question.

If the gathering of believers, not genetic decedents of Abraham, is required for a true Israel in the promised land, why does the occupation of the promised land during the crusades by believers in Christ fail to fit the prophetic definition of Israel being reborn by gathering Abraham's decedents back to the promised land?

Keith


Christ being literal King over Israel is what determines if Israel is true Israel or not. That only happens in the millennium.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby Looking4acity on Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:47 am

I have shown that Judaism promotes sodomy, murder, the rape and sacrifice of children, all in the name of God. They claim this is how God wants them to live, but we know this is nothing but Satanism. "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Now let's go a little deeper. Rev. 11:8 speaks of the 2 witnesses:
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


We have easily identified why Jerusalem is called Sodom, but the Egypt connection isn't as clear. I will now bring that into sharp focus. The answer: FREEMASONRY.

Masonry is a Jewish institution whose history, degrees, charges, passwords and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end." - Rabbi Dr. Isaac Mayer Wise (1819-1900) "Father of Reform Judaism and founder of Union College


Freemasonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic ritual and what is left?" -From "Freemasonry is Based on Judaism", the Jewish Tribune (1927) as cited in "Codex Magica" by Texe Marrs


Not only is Freemasonry Jewish, it is CONTROLLED BY JEWS. This is the big secret hidden throughout the ages. It is based on Illuminism which in turn is based on Cabala. It is the Egyptian and Babylonian Mysteries. This is where the Egyptian symbolism comes from in Freemasonry. The pyramids, the obelisks, the All-Seeing Eye of Horus....


There are basically two parts to Freemasonry: the lower level, which comprises of the first 33 degrees. This is the "show" army. It is the upper, hidden levels that rule. At the very top are the B'nai B'rith Lodges (translated Sons of the Covenant, the covenant being circumcision), which are exclusively Jewish. Below them are various Rites, such as the Rite of Mizraim, from where the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion were stolen.

Now that you know who controls Freemasonry, it gives new meaning as to who was behind the foundation of the U.S. government with its governmental buildings, Capitol monuments and street layout. Remember the Great Seal with the words "Novus Ordo Seclorum"? It translates New World Order.

.......for our organization of SECRET MASONRY WHICH IS NOT KNOWN TO, AND AIMS WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SO MUCH AS SUSPECTED BY, THESE "GOY" CATTLE, ATTRACTED BY US INTO THE "SHOW" ARMY OF MASONIC LODGES IN ORDER TO THROW DUST IN THE EYES OF THEIR FELLOWS. -From the Protocols No. 11


Who and what is in a position to overthrow an invisible force? And this is precisely what our force is. GENTILE masonry blindly serves as a screen for us and our objects, but the plan of action of our force, even its very abiding-place, remains for the whole people an unknown mystery. -From the Protocols No. 4
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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby Abiding in His Word on Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:59 am

shorttribber wrote:And you or anybody else have no idea who is who at the wailing wall....only God does.

To me it's that simple brett.....you can't lump them all together as being Against God, just because they practice Judaism in ignorance still....it's just not true.


I agree with this.

And I would add that some Jews may very well still practice some of their cultural traditions and still be Christ believers. And again I refer to the list of "Messianic" Jews who are believers in Jesus from the other thread. These statistics should serve to refute generalizations.

There are 262 Messianic organizations operating in Israel according to Kehila News Directory - "a searchable list of congregations, ministries, and businesses related to the Messianic Community in Israel." (as of March 2016). Source: http://app.kehilanews.com/directory)

"Today the latest reports estimate almost 20,000 and 150 congregations in “the Land” (as Eretz Yisrael is called), while globally the reports range as high as 300,000 Messianic Jewish believers."(Charisma Magazine October 29, 2013)



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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby Abiding in His Word on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:08 pm

Looking4acity wrote:I have shown that Judaism promotes sodomy, murder, the rape and sacrifice of children, all in the name of God. They claim this is how God wants them to live, but we know this is nothing but Satanism.


I must have missed your proof. I'll look back for this evidence.

But you still have not provided evidence for these statements:

. But this is the deception. They are supposed to be our friends, our allies. But they hate us. They control banking, central banks therefore countries and their politicians, their armies, the television, newspapers, the music industry, Hollywood, social media and religions. As the Pharasees of old, they think they are better than everyone else. They are the elite, the deep state, the hidden hand. They think that God has given them the right to rule by twisting the Scriptures. They follow the evil Talmud and Caballah. They are the Syanagogue of Satan. They do not know the God of their Fathers. They formed the State and did terrible things to make other Jews want to go "home". They want their messiah and prepared a place for him. They are terrorists and murders. They cause wars. They have killed the saints and prophets and when God judges them, they will not repent of it.


Let me know if I have missed your post proving these.
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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby mark s on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:12 pm

Jesus is returning to earth to save the Israelites in Israel, and throughout the world. Particularly in Israel.

Are there Jews in Israel?

Jesus seems to think so. Will they need saving? Yes.

Please consider:
Zephaniah 3:8-14 (NASB)

8 “Therefore wait for Me,” declares the LORD,
“For the day when I rise up as a witness.
Indeed, My decision is to gather nations,
To assemble kingdoms,
To pour out on them My indignation,
All My burning anger;
For all the earth will be devoured
By the fire of My zeal.

9 “For then I will give to the peoples purified lips,
That all of them may call on the name of the LORD,
To serve Him shoulder to shoulder.

10 “From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia
My worshipers, My dispersed ones,
Will bring My offerings.

11 “In that day you will feel no shame
Because of all your deeds
By which you have rebelled against Me;
For then I will remove from your midst
Your proud, exulting ones,
And you will never again be haughty
On My holy mountain.

12 “But I will leave among you
A humble and lowly people,
And they will take refuge in the name of the LORD.


13 “The remnant of Israel will do no wrong
And tell no lies,
Nor will a deceitful tongue
Be found in their mouths;
For they will feed and lie down
With no one to make them tremble.”

14 Shout for joy, O daughter of Zion!
Shout in triumph, O Israel!
Rejoice and exult with all your heart,
O daughter of Jerusalem!


Zechariah said that 2/3 will be destroyed, 1/3 to remain. The proud, the exulting, the haughty will be removed. The humble will remain.

Are there Israelites in Israel? Should we discount their validity because of their bad behavior? I'm glad God didn't do that to me!

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby mark s on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:19 pm

Looking4acity wrote:I have shown that Judaism promotes sodomy, murder, the rape and sacrifice of children, all in the name of God.


I've not read these two threads, to lengthy, too full of sensationalism and accusation, too much stuff that I've looked at over and over through the years.

But you'll have to define what you mean by "Judaism", because to me that means the practice of the Old Testament. And I fall to see where the Old Testament promotes these.

Now, you may mean a counterfeit Judaism in the same way I think you are talking about counterfeit Jews. But that wouldn't be Judaism.

To me, this is simply another elaborate conspiracy theory. I know the conspiracy. Satan manipulates the unbelievers into all sorts of atrocities and horrors. Trust me, I know! But to sweep a broad brush over an entire people, what place has that here???

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:20 pm

Again I said this before in another post.

What is your definition of a Jew? That is a huge matter that needs to be clarified. Different people have different definitions.

Yes there are Jews in Israel - the better statement to make - to make it clear what you are saying is - there are CHRISTIANS in Israel.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:24 pm

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marks wrote:Jesus is returning to earth to save the Israelites in Israel, and throughout the world. Particularly in Israel.


A very confusing statement. Here's what I believe is a clear statement.

Jesus is returning to earth to save CHRISTIANS in Israel, and throughout the world. Particularly in Israel.


I don't believe Jesus shows particular favourtism to Christians living in Israel however. But this 2nd statement is clear and mostly correct.

Jesus will not be saving "Christ Rejecting" Jews.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby mark s on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:25 pm

brett wrote:.
Too much to answer, this will go on forever guys :eek: Are you both trying to wear me out? :grin: Short answers to your questions:

Keith - the Catholic Crusades mean nothing.

ST - Wrath is 75 days after AOD. You must have misunderstood what I said in the past, or at least remembered it wrongly. Please go back and read what I said again. Regarding Matthew 23 - Is Jesus saying this "In the future there will be a Last Days generation of followers of Judaism that will say 'Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord'. And then I will come." Is Jesus prophecising this will happen? No, Jesus is saying that the only way they could see Him henceforth is if they accepted a believer (follower of Him) in their midst. There is no declaring that this would happen in the future, its just what would be REQUIRED. They will not do it.

John 5
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.


They will receive the Anti-Christ, not Jesus Christ.

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According to Malachi, Elijah will prepare a people ready for God.

We know it won't be all of them, but it will be some of them.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:31 pm

mark s wrote:
brett wrote:.
Too much to answer, this will go on forever guys :eek: Are you both trying to wear me out? :grin: Short answers to your questions:

Keith - the Catholic Crusades mean nothing.

ST - Wrath is 75 days after AOD. You must have misunderstood what I said in the past, or at least remembered it wrongly. Please go back and read what I said again. Regarding Matthew 23 - Is Jesus saying this "In the future there will be a Last Days generation of followers of Judaism that will say 'Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord'. And then I will come." Is Jesus prophecising this will happen? No, Jesus is saying that the only way they could see Him henceforth is if they accepted a believer (follower of Him) in their midst. There is no declaring that this would happen in the future, its just what would be REQUIRED. They will not do it.

John 5
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.


They will receive the Anti-Christ, not Jesus Christ.

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According to Malachi, Elijah will prepare a people ready for God.

We know it won't be all of them, but it will be some of them.

Much love,
Mark


Yes like John the Baptist prepared the way for Christ. The Israelites John the Baptist ministered to, who also went on to follow Christ - BECAME CHRISTIANS. For some reason today people weirdly assume that the followers of Jesus in Israel remained followers of Judaism. That's not true. Judaism specifically denies Jesus Christ - so they actually became CHRISTIANS. To keep referring to them as Jews is CONFUSING. To avoid confusion we need to solve this matter of correctly describing groups of people.

Those who follow Christ - regardless of their ethnicity - are CHRISTIANS.

98% of Jews in Israel today do NOT believe in Jesus Christ. Only 2% of people living in Israel today are CHRISTIAN.

Anyone who does NOT believe upon Christ is not SAVED.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby mark s on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:36 pm

brett wrote:.
marks wrote:Jesus is returning to earth to save the Israelites in Israel, and throughout the world. Particularly in Israel.


A very confusing statement. Here's what I believe is a clear statement.

Jesus is returning to earth to save CHRISTIANS in Israel, and throughout the world. Particularly in Israel.


I don't believe Jesus shows particular favourtism to Christians living in Israel however. But this 2nd statement is clear and mostly correct.

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How confusing can it be??

But forget about that. Scripture please.

I've provided Zephaniah and Zechariah. Do you have any to offer?

Zechariah 12 NASB

1The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel.
Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him,

2“Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. 3“It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it. 4“In that day,” declares the LORD, “I will strike every horse with bewilderment and his rider with madness. But I will watch over the house of Judah, while I strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5“Then the clans of Judah will say in their hearts, ‘A strong support for us are the inhabitants of Jerusalem through the LORD of hosts, their God.’

6“In that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot among pieces of wood and a flaming torch among sheaves, so they will consume on the right hand and on the left all the surrounding peoples, while the inhabitants of Jerusalem again dwell on their own sites in Jerusalem. 7“The LORD also will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem will not be magnified above Judah. 8“In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them. 9“And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. 11“In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12“The land will mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself and their wives by themselves; 13the family of the house of Levi by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself and their wives by themselves; 14all the families that remain, every family by itself and their wives by themselves.


All I can say is, if this isn't talking about Israelites, then I can't begin to imagine who it is talking about.

Ever consider that this push against the Israelites in Israel is what is going to escalate into the great tribulation?

Much love,
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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby mark s on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:39 pm

brett wrote:
mark s wrote:
brett wrote:.
Too much to answer, this will go on forever guys :eek: Are you both trying to wear me out? :grin: Short answers to your questions:

Keith - the Catholic Crusades mean nothing.

ST - Wrath is 75 days after AOD. You must have misunderstood what I said in the past, or at least remembered it wrongly. Please go back and read what I said again. Regarding Matthew 23 - Is Jesus saying this "In the future there will be a Last Days generation of followers of Judaism that will say 'Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord'. And then I will come." Is Jesus prophecising this will happen? No, Jesus is saying that the only way they could see Him henceforth is if they accepted a believer (follower of Him) in their midst. There is no declaring that this would happen in the future, its just what would be REQUIRED. They will not do it.

John 5
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.


They will receive the Anti-Christ, not Jesus Christ.

.


According to Malachi, Elijah will prepare a people ready for God.

We know it won't be all of them, but it will be some of them.

Much love,
Mark


Yes like John the Baptist prepared the way for Christ. The Israelites John the Baptist ministered to, who also went on to follow Christ - BECAME CHRISTIANS. For some reason today people weirdly assume that the followers of Jesus in Israel remained followers of Judaism. That's not true. Judaism specifically denies Jesus Christ - so they actually became CHRISTIANS. To keep referring to them as Jews is CONFUSING. To avoid confusion we need to solve this matter of correctly describing groups of people.

Those who follow Christ - regardless of their ethnicity - are CHRISTIANS.

98% of Jews in Israel today do NOT believe in Jesus Christ. Only 2% of people living in Israel today are CHRISTIAN.

Anyone who does NOT believe upon Christ is not SAVED.

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Yes. And they won't be Christians until then. So they are Jews, or, as I like to say, Israelites, just going back to the older name.

And btw . . . the Jerusalem Christians were zealous to keep the Law.

Did you know . . . after Jesus returns, the Israelites, having come to Christ, will keep the Law perfectly?

What in the world do you mean when you say "Judaism"? To me, that is the practice of the Old Testament. But obviously that's not what it means to you.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby brett on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:41 pm

mark s wrote:
Zechariah 12 NASB

1The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel.
Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him,

2“Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. 3“It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it. 4“In that day,” declares the LORD, “I will strike every horse with bewilderment and his rider with madness. But I will watch over the house of Judah, while I strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5“Then the clans of Judah will say in their hearts, ‘A strong support for us are the inhabitants of Jerusalem through the LORD of hosts, their God.’

6“In that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot among pieces of wood and a flaming torch among sheaves, so they will consume on the right hand and on the left all the surrounding peoples, while the inhabitants of Jerusalem again dwell on their own sites in Jerusalem. 7“The LORD also will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem will not be magnified above Judah. 8“In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them. 9“And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. 11“In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12“The land will mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself and their wives by themselves; 13the family of the house of Levi by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself and their wives by themselves; 14all the families that remain, every family by itself and their wives by themselves.


All I can say is, if this isn't talking about Israelites, then I can't begin to imagine who it is talking about.

Ever consider that this push against the Israelites in Israel is what is going to escalate into the great tribulation?

Much love,
Mark



Zechariah 12 is talking about and to OLD ISRAEL - not Modern Israel. It was prophecy for the Jews after they returned from the Babylon Captivity. It prophecises about Jesus FIRST coming.

I have gone over this already and it would be of great help mark if you did bother to read back over previous posts. I have already covered this ground in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=73565

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby mark s on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:46 pm

brett wrote:.
marks wrote:Jesus is returning to earth to save the Israelites in Israel, and throughout the world. Particularly in Israel.


A very confusing statement. Here's what I believe is a clear statement.

Jesus is returning to earth to save CHRISTIANS in Israel, and throughout the world. Particularly in Israel.


I don't believe Jesus shows particular favourtism to Christians living in Israel however. But this 2nd statement is clear and mostly correct.

Jesus will not be saving "Christ Rejecting" Jews.

.


There's what you do and don't believe, and there's what the Bible says.

I've posted Scripture. You've posted beliefs.

To your statement, "Jesus will not be saving "Christ Rejecting" Jews," I'm glad Jesus saved Christ-rejecting me!!
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Seriously, that's what the Great Tribulation is all about. It's the suffering to bring to salvation for Isreal. "It is the time of Jacob's trouble, but he will be saved out of it."

I'd recommend putting away these other books for at least a while, and study through the prophecies of Israel's restoration.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby mark s on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:49 pm

brett wrote:
mark s wrote:
Zechariah 12 NASB

1The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel.
Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him,

2“Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. 3“It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it. 4“In that day,” declares the LORD, “I will strike every horse with bewilderment and his rider with madness. But I will watch over the house of Judah, while I strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5“Then the clans of Judah will say in their hearts, ‘A strong support for us are the inhabitants of Jerusalem through the LORD of hosts, their God.’

6“In that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot among pieces of wood and a flaming torch among sheaves, so they will consume on the right hand and on the left all the surrounding peoples, while the inhabitants of Jerusalem again dwell on their own sites in Jerusalem. 7“The LORD also will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem will not be magnified above Judah. 8“In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them. 9“And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. 11“In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12“The land will mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself and their wives by themselves; 13the family of the house of Levi by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself and their wives by themselves; 14all the families that remain, every family by itself and their wives by themselves.


All I can say is, if this isn't talking about Israelites, then I can't begin to imagine who it is talking about.

Ever consider that this push against the Israelites in Israel is what is going to escalate into the great tribulation?

Much love,
Mark



Zechariah 12 is talking about and to OLD ISRAEL - not Modern Israel. It was prophecy for the Jews after they returned from the Babylon Captivity. It prophecises about Jesus FIRST coming.

I have gone over this already and it would be of great help mark if you did bother to read back over previous posts. I have already covered this ground in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=73565

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Hmm. I'm surprised to hear you say that. So tell me . . .

When did all the nations come against Jerusalem, and all the people suddenly turn into might warriors? It doesn't seem to have been fulfilled.

And there's no way I'm going to wade through all that miasma of hatred and half-truths. I'm hear to build up, not tear down.

I'll be happy to post my comments as is, and if you wish to answer them, you are free to do so, otherwise, you are free to ignore them.

But to be completely clear, I've looked at this topic for years. I do not believe it beneficial, and even all that accurate. Again, I know there is a conspiracy, and I'm not surprised at anyone who might be involved. But that does not change the Scriptures.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby Looking4acity on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:51 pm

Abiding in His Word wrote:But you still have not provided evidence for these statements:

. But this is the deception. They are supposed to be our friends, our allies. But they hate us. They control banking, central banks therefore countries and their politicians, their armies, the television, newspapers, the music industry, Hollywood, social media and religions. As the Pharasees of old, they think they are better than everyone else. They are the elite, the deep state, the hidden hand. They think that God has given them the right to rule by twisting the Scriptures. They follow the evil Talmud and Caballah. They are the Syanagogue of Satan. They do not know the God of their Fathers. They formed the State and did terrible things to make other Jews want to go "home". They want their messiah and prepared a place for him. They are terrorists and murders. They cause wars. They have killed the saints and prophets and when God judges them, they will not repent of it.


I will as time allows.
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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby Looking4acity on Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:57 pm

brett wrote:.
I have a life to live outside this website. Guys I'm going to have to go. Let the posts I have already made speak to you.

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby Jericho on Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:32 pm

Mark S wrote:Seriously, that's what the Great Tribulation is all about. It's the suffering to bring to salvation for Isreal. "It is the time of Jacob's trouble, but he will be saved out of it."

I'd recommend putting away these other books for at least a while, and study through the prophecies of Israel's restoration.


Yes Mark, I've made those same exact arguments to no avail. The problem, as I see it, is they keep looking at the current spiritual condition of the Jews today, while we are looking ahead to their redemption. The Jews are very much like the prodigal son who squandered his inheritance but eventually return to his father. He never stopped being his father's son despite his sins. Another problem is mixing scripture with extra-biblical material. It's like mixing oil and water, they don't go together. And the fruit it produces doesn't build anything up, as you said, but tears it down. I've said about all I can say with this topic. In the end, people will believe what they want to believe.
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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby Abiding in His Word on Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:48 pm

I'd recommend putting away these other books for at least a while, and study through the prophecies of Israel's restoration.


...and stop watching Steve Anderson's videos and sermons about the Jews and their lies...

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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby burien1 on Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:06 pm

Looking4acity wrote:The following article is "The Occult Magic of the Jewish Cabala". A great introduction into its prevalence today.

http://www.texemarrs.com/012006/occult_ ... cabala.htm

(I have his book "Codex Magica". It is huge, filled with hundreds of pictures prooving the point. Highly recommend it.)


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Before any of our brothers and sisters on this forum read this, I would suggest you research that site's Home page. This is just one of the books it promotes;
Holocaust Hoax Exposed (The): Debunking the 20th Century's Biggest Lie
Here

And for those of us who know Constance Cumbey's work, here is what she had to say about Texe Marrs;
Here
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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby mark s on Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:21 pm

Hi Jericho,

I've seen this topic recirculate routinely over the years. I believe quite strongly that it is a concoction put together by the kingdom of darkness.

I've heard several people speak their view that Satan's goal is to destroy God's chosen nation, Israel, so that there would be none to say "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD", meaning then that Jesus couldn't come back, and the earth remains Satan's.

Now, there are some problems with this idea, for instance, no one owns the earth but God. But that aside.

Let me change tracks for a little bit.

This isn't the only conspiracy theory I've studied. I've said for years all the best conspiracy theories end with 9 foot tall reptilians in the 4th sub-basement of the WH. Personally, I think they're lower still.

But I've seen the same fingerprints, if you will, on so many of these. Everything from John Todd to Edomite Jews.

I think you said it well. They expect the unsaved to act like the saved. They don't.

Much love!
Mark
ειπεν αυτη ο ιησους εγω ειμι η αναστασις και η ζωη ο πιστευων εις εμε καν αποθανη ζησεται
. . . saying to her Jesus, I AM the resurrection and the life, the one believing into Me even dying shall live . . .
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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby mark s on Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:29 pm

burien1 wrote:
Looking4acity wrote:The following article is "The Occult Magic of the Jewish Cabala". A great introduction into its prevalence today.

http://www.texemarrs.com/012006/occult_ ... cabala.htm

(I have his book "Codex Magica". It is huge, filled with hundreds of pictures prooving the point. Highly recommend it.)


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Before any of our brothers and sisters on this forum read this, I would suggest you research that site's Home page. This is just one of the books it promotes;
Holocaust Hoax Exposed (The): Debunking the 20th Century's Biggest Lie
Here

And for those of us who know Constance Cumbey's work, here is what she had to say about Texe Marrs;
Here


Now there's a name I haven't heard for a while!

:grin:

I actually started to read the texe-marrs blog, to be honest, it's difficult for me to understand how this can seem credible to so many people.

But more interesting still, I've learned something about myself today. I'm a cabalaist. Or however you would say that. I've seen Spock give his hand-sign, which, according to that blog, made me a participant in an occult ritual.

Gee!

Much love,
Mark
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. . . saying to her Jesus, I AM the resurrection and the life, the one believing into Me even dying shall live . . .
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Re: The State II: Uncovering the Truth

Postby shorttribber on Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:41 pm

mark s wrote:Hi Jericho,

I've seen this topic recirculate routinely over the years. I believe quite strongly that it is a concoction put together by the kingdom of darkness.

I've heard several people speak their view that Satan's goal is to destroy God's chosen nation, Israel, so that there would be none to say "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD", meaning then that Jesus couldn't come back, and the earth remains Satan's.

Now, there are some problems with this idea, for instance, no one owns the earth but God. But that aside.

Let me change tracks for a little bit.

This isn't the only conspiracy theory I've studied. I've said for years all the best conspiracy theories end with 9 foot tall reptilians in the 4th sub-basement of the WH. Personally, I think they're lower still.

But I've seen the same fingerprints, if you will, on so many of these. Everything from John Todd to Edomite Jews.

I think you said it well. They expect the unsaved to act like the saved. They don't.

Much love!
Mark

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Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

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