I Have a Question......

by **Kentucky Hunter** on Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:50 am

I was reading last night, and even though I had read this many times--for some reason it seemed to jump out at me... 
 
OK; 
 
Matthew 24:36-39 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 
 
And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. Luke 17:26-30 
 
Here is my question--Jesus says his returning will be as it was in the days of Noah, and in Luke, Lot's days are included. 
 
May teach today that there is only one more coming of the Lord--they use this 'one more coming' to discount an idea of a rapture...saying that to believe in the catching away, it would mean two more comings. A few teachers have included this to also mean 'one more coming'...in their rapture beliefs, in that Jesus comes one more time, stays in the air long enough to 'rapture' the church, then comes [at that moment] to earth along with the raptured church. 
 
OK, to my question---IF those days [mentioned above] are likened to the days of Noah [or Lot]...this end of tribulation rapture idea, or even the mid, doesn't seem to work. 
 
Why? Because Jesus said basically life [and people] would be just going along as usual--marrying, building, growing crops, etc. 
 
IF our Lords return for us is at the end of the 7 years, how COULD life be going on as usual? Do you see my point? 
 
The great tribulation is told to us, as being "trouble like we've never seen or experienced"...right? 
 
So how do these teachers explain this? 
 
I know I could have asked one of those that believe in this end of tribulation rapture, the question---but I knew it would only end up in people trying to prove their view....so I'm coming to those in here. 
 
Jaunita ************************************************** 
"Suppose you were an idiot . . . And suppose 
you were a member of Congress . . . But I repeat myself." 
~Mark Twain 
 
"If you don't plan to live the Christian life totally committed 
to knowing your God and to walking in obedience to Him, 
then don't begin; for this is what Christianity is all about. 
It is a change of citizenship, a change of governments, 
a change of allegiance........ 
If you have no intention of letting Christ rule your life, then forget 
Christianity; it's not for you." 
~K.Arthur

by **Charles Baker** on Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:18 am

Dear Juanita; 
 
Re. your post no. 3419 and the two sets of scripture you quote, Matthew 24:36-39 and Luke 17:26-30. 
 
Both refer to a time when it will be as it was in the days of Noah but there are differences between to two accounts. 
 
Matthew speaks only of the days before Noah entered the Ark while Luke adds reference to the day, a specific day of destruction that came on Sodom and Gemorrah. 
 
Matthew says so it will be at the coming of the day of the Lord, implying that the coming of the day of the lord will bring salvation to some as the ark provided salvation to Noah and his family. 
 
Luke expands this saying conditions on earth will continue with marrying and giving in marriage right up to a day of destruction when the Lord will be revealed from heaven, He will come, openly, on the white horse with the armies of heaven. 
 
The coming of the Lord, I think, will not be the same as the revealing of the Lord. 
 
This, to me, agrees with the pre-trib rapture view which is the view of this thread. 
 
As to the Great Tribulation, Revelations tells us, I think, the tribulation of the vials, the wrath of God that will come on the earth immediately before the start of the 1,000 years, will be greater than any tribulations that will precede them. 
 
They will come on the earth, I think, during the last 45 days, the days of Daniel 12:12 and I think, too, those will be the days that will be shortened otherwise no flesh of animals, fish or fowl would be saved to enter the millennium in their natural state. 
 
As I see it. 
 
God Bless you. Charlie.

by **monkeyweather** on Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:09 am

Jaunita, I am going to add your questions to a study I am doing on the "one man taken" verses. I am not done putting together the scriptures, but will hopefully post them tomorrow or later today (there is a big ole teen bible study at my house this afternoon so it might well be tomorrow) 
 
I think the two are...connected....maybe <img src=http://www.smileys.ws/sm/cheeky/00000025.gif ALT=":cheeky"> HAHA

by **Kentucky Hunter** on Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:46 pm

Thank you Charlie--I think I understand it now... 
 
MW...yes, the 'one taken, one left'....looking forward to reading your thoughts on this. Charlie, [and any others] as well... 
I stopped before getting to that part--figured my question on the two appearings was enough to ask at the time..lol 
 
Know what would really be good....if each rapture forum could have one person [from the other forums] to ask about their reasoning for believing some of these things---but sadly, I don't think it would be possible. It would just end up like a debate forum and we already have one of those. 
 
thanks again for the help Charlie. 
 
Jaunita

by **CheerfulGiver** on Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:56 am

Hey Juanita, 
 
My suggestion... read and study Genesis 4, 5, and 6. 
 
Maranatha! 
 
In Christ, 
 
James

by **Charles Baker** on Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:17 am

Dear James: 
 
Re. your post no. 31 to Juanita. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>My suggestion... read and study Genesis 4, 5, and 6.<hr></blockquote> Charlie -- I expect you have done so yourself and wonder where you think Cain's wife came from? 
 
My study of Gen. 1 to 9 leads me to believe Cain's wife was a daughter of the males and females God created on the sixth day before He rested on the seventh day, an unkown period of time before He formed Adam from the dust of the ground. 
 
The Bible tells us Noah and his three sons were direct descendants of Adam and Eve but there is no such record for their wives. 
 
In recent genomic studies, with the help of computers, scientists have proven all males had a common ancestor but the same is not true for females. 
 
Something to think about. 
 
God Bless you. Charlie.

by **Charles Baker** on Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:39 am

Dear Juanita: 
 
 
Thank you for your post no. 3423. It might interest you to know a little of my pre-trib background. My studies of the Bible and reading of a number of commentaries, led me to conclude the most logical timing for the resurrection/rapture was pre-trib but I was not sure. 
 
About that time was when we got our first computer and that allowed me to post on boards that were neutral, as this board has been, or were NOT pre-trib, to ask questions and discuss, as much as it is possible to discuss, the subject of the timing of the rapture. These discussions confirmed, for me, that a pre-trib rapture was the most probable. 
 
In the process I was privileged to learn much more about the Bible for the discussions forced me to refer again and again to the scriptures. One of the things I learned was that not one of us knows whether or not we will be accounted worthy to be given the incorruptible body that is promised to those who will be resurrected/raptured. 
 
It was about that time I started posting on this board and was surprised, after a time, to be asked if I would be a moderator as Herb wished to have someone with a pre-trib view on his panel. 
 
That is why I am a moderator on this board and I have learned nothing, so far, that has led me to change my view. 
 
Believers can be assured their souls, the spiritual part of them, having been born-again by the Spirit of God, will go to heaven when their bodies die but not one of us knows if our body will be resurrected. or raptured, as the case might be. 
 
As I see it. 
 
God Bless you. Charlie.

by **Kentucky Hunter** on Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:48 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>My suggestion... read and study Genesis 4, 5, and 6.<hr></blockquote> Will do James....you wouldn't by chance be "getting at" the son's of God, daughter's of man 'thingy' would you, in relation to the days of Noah? lol.... 
 
A few of us over on warriors of God [board] dove into this last year---veeeery interesting. 
 
And Charlie...the question of Cain and his wife has been one I've been asked many many times. You wouldn't by chance have an article or link on what you posted [about men and women] would you? I've never known how to answer that... 
so instead of guessing I've just told people the truth-I don't know. 
 
Thanks also for sharing how you came to know personally about the other rapture views----always wondered how you could answer so well on the different views. 
 
That was a good idea, getting first-hand comments from others.... 
I don't care for a lot of the articles floating around 'out there'....none of them can seem to give reasons, without spending more time [in the article] bashing another version of the timing. Least your way, you could ask questions to actual 'live people'... 
 
My own personal belief is we are told to watch for His appearing...to look up, be prepared, as we continue to be about our Father's business of spreading the good news that Jesus saves. We are to be gentle as doves...but to also be wise as serpents in watching what is transpiring around us. 
 
My hope is in Jesus----as its been all these years. 
I'm not about to jump ship now. 
 
Thank you all... 
 
Jaunita

by **Charles Baker** on Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:30 pm

Dear Juanita: 
 
Thank you for your post no. 3246 <blockquote>Quote:<hr> My own personal belief is we are told to watch for His appearing...to look up, be prepared, as we continue to be about our Father's business of spreading the good news that Jesus saves. We are to be gentle as doves...but to also be wise as serpents in watching what is transpiring around us. 
 
My hope is in Jesus----as its been all these years. 
I'm not about to jump ship now.<hr></blockquote> Charlie -- Never 'jump ship', my dear. Jesus Christ is the 'Ark' that carries our souls to heaven. 
 
But do me a favor; consider reading and obeying Luke 21:36, for you know He is able to account us worthy. We cannot make ourselves worthy but we can cast all our cares upon Him knowing He can account us to be worthy. 
 
As I see it. 
 
God Bless you. Charlie.

by **Kentucky Hunter** on Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:27 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>But do me a favor; consider reading and obeying Luke 21:36, for you know He is able to account us worthy. We cannot make ourselves worthy but we can cast all our cares upon Him knowing He can account us to be worthy.<hr></blockquote> 
I sure will Charlie...that verse has been one that I myself have neglected to take to heart, I am ashamed to say, until just recently. 
 
Thanks.... 
 
Jaunita _________________________________________________________________ 
 
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, 
believe also in me. In my Father's house are many 
mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. 
I go to prepare a place for you. 
 
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come 
again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, 
there ye may be also. 
 
John 14:1-3

by **bibleisreal** on Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:30 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Charlie -- Never 'jump ship', my dear. Jesus Christ is the 'Ark' that carries our souls to heaven.<hr></blockquote> 
 
What a beautiful way to say that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. Especially when discussing the times of Noah and the ark. 
 
God bless you all.

by **snowrosies** on Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:40 am

<img src=http://forums.catholic.com/images/smilies/signs/blessyou.png ALT=":blessyou"> ,that seems to jump out at me also kentucky hunter and I love the quote bibleisrael.<img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_22_25.gif ALT=":floatingangel"> 
 
Charlie -- Never 'jump ship', my dear. Jesus Christ is the 'Ark' that carries our souls to heaven....<img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_2_104.gif ALT=":hugs"> ....that is a beautiful quote<img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_2_27.gif ALT=":bounce"> 
 
<img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_5.gif ALT=":ummm"> was looking to see if can find my tribe<img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_20.gif ALT=":peace?"> <img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/17/17_1_32.gif ALT=":onlyjesus"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"> nlyjesus<img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/17/17_1_32.gif ALT=":onlyjesus"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"> nlyjesus<img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_22_25.gif ALT=":floatingangel"> <img src=http://forums.catholic.com/images/smilies/signs/blessyou.png ALT=":blessyou">

by **Charles Baker** on Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:26 am

Dear Snowrosies: 
 
Re. your post no. 35 <blockquote>Quote:<hr>[<img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_5.gif ALT=":ummm"> ] was looking to see if can find my tribe.<hr></blockquote> Charlie -- Why bother? God knows who belongs to which. 
 
If you were a male Jewish believer, you might wonder if you will be one of the 12,000 from each tribe, of Rev.7, who will be sealed in the forehead by God. 
 
As I see it. 
 
God Bless you. Charlie.

by **brower** on Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:59 am

I agree with your insight 100%. Jesus said in Matt 24.30 concerning his physical return to earth: 
 
' and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.' 
 
Every eye shall see the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ from heaven to earth with the armies of heaven. He will come as a thief Rev 16.15 but not as a thief in the night as at the rapture, but as a thief of the day: using brute force and 'guns blazing' as it were with the armies of heaven to recapture by sheer spiritual force His creation. 
 
But Jesus will come as a 'thief of the night' at the beginning of the 7 years. This is describing the unprepared and unexpecting world as in Noah's and Lot's day. Life for most of the world is business as usual, marrying, given in marriage. Events taking place in the Holy Land are a local thing not really affecting the majority of the world population. I believe antichrist is a local leader until mid trib when he becomes as it were a 'Caesar' a dictatorial leader of the whole known world. 
 
I believe that most of if not all the judgements of the 7 year tribulation will be done in the name of the Lord Jesus and the whole world wil reject and blaspheme the name of God and Jesus. With the vial judgements having destroyed all green things, killed all sealife, made blood all fresh water, grievous sores on all (most of the world) who have the mark, Life will not be as 'as usual' as in the days of Noah when Jesus physically returns to earth. 
 
God bless you

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