Ten EU ministers want EMF, EU Army, and "political union"

[eschologizer]

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/999d6264-ba23-11e1-84dc-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1yKTJv2hW

Ten EU foreign ministers have spelt out radical suggestions to use the eurozone debt crisis as a springboard towards closer integration, including creation of a European monetary fund, a European army and a European finance minister.
The German-inspired initiative is intended to stimulate debate on radical new steps towards political union to be launched by EU leaders at their summit at the end of the month. It is also hoped that it will galvanise thinking in other member states about steps towards “political union”.

[James1:12]

I like your style eschologizer, good find. Were they waiting 2 years for your return?

[James1:12]

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-artic ... v_id=80854

Vienna-based daily Presse claims that the “Group for the Future” is planning on transforming the political system in the Union.

The group was initiated by German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle.

Foreign ministers of Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Germany, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal and Span have been holding regular meetings since the beginning of the year. They submitted their proposal to European Commission (EC) President Jose Manuel Barroso, European Council President Herman Van Rompuy, European Central Bank Head Mario Draghi and Eurogroup head Jean-Claude Juncker on Tuesday.

http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/new ... tes-europe

They also advocate joint European protection of borders and support the joint foreign and security policy that could even include forming of an EU army.

The ten ministers also advocate a direct control of national budgets, as German Chancellor Angela Merkel recently requested with her fiscal union initiative.

Bullseye?

[James1:12]

I spotted it earlier but there was some uncertainty as to numbers:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=63283

[eschologizer]

Good job originally finding this! (you mentioned having caught it in a previous post). And Lol I hope they didn't wait for me lol. If I may express apocalyptic anxiety, these EU guys are really taking a long time to get the show on the road so to speak lol.

Apparently this group has been up to stuff for a while now, and wanted to merge Van Rompuy's and Barosso's positions into a Super President of the EU as well. This little reflection group is up to no good. And of course, the Lisbon treaty has all sorts of legal tricks they can do to it to bypass referendums. Rompuy wanted to do a treaty bypass even a year ago:

http://euobserver.com/18/114533

It is intriguing that it is ten foreign ministers, even though the WEU is salient in my mind at the moment, especially due to its voluntary dissolution in favor of the EU alliance.

One thing that I noticed a political commentator discuss is how these leaders keep throwing around the term "political union" without really defining what that means. Van Rompuy wants not just a monetary union, but a full "economic union" as well. If you go to wikipedia, you will see there that the EU is defined as an economic and political union. So all this talk by these leaders of "economic union" and "political union" is sort of ambiguous, which shows they are somewhat up to no good.

However, I find it very intriguing that a lot of political and economic commentators, such as the Wall Street Journal, say that the EU needs to become the US of E or else it will die. In fact, Wall Street Journal opinion piece even said that investors consider any steps towards something like that as positive, and steps in the other direction as not. They talk about how the EU has to get an economic system like the US or else it will collapse. This relieves some of the ambiguity.

The fact that people are genuinely sitting around the table talking about whether or not they should become something close to the US of Eurozone is incredible. Not become it in 50 years. Like become it... tomorrow.

As far as prophecy theories go, the "EU theory" seems very very well evidenced.

On another note, since you mentioned on Wickus's website that you had been watching "Horizon 2020" and "Framework Program 8," it is very interesting that they are 7 years in duration. It is most likely due to your research that I have always thought that the next european neighborhood policy would be seven years as well, but hadn't looked it up much until recently.

However, some other people, such as Wickus himself, and at least one other person on FP, said that the ENPI was 7 years, and all the others were originally 5 until they changed it to 7? Has it always been 7, or did it used to be 5?

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Hi Eschologizer,

There was a plan to reduce the Multi Annual Finanacial Framework Programs to a 5 year period, but with FP8 they simply continued in the current format. Given the trouble they have agreeing on the budget for these things any change is going to be difficult!

Spot on with the US of E idea that is being thrown around - big empire, big trouble, and not righteous foundation like the US had/has. Lots of partying in front of that throne to Zeus though.

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I think this is the groups site:

http://www.reflectiongroup.eu/

The Group is supported by a secretariat headed by Secretary-General, Mr. Žiga Turk.

I'm not sure...

Err scratch that its just another 10 memeber EU group.

[James1:12]

This is them:

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/jul ... report.pdf

Third Country Missions
19. The Group observes an increase in the number of European Union peacekeeping
missions throughout the world. These interventions increasingly
require comprehensive support in terms of military, police, civil protection,
development aid and rule of law devices. The Group recommends making the
most of past experience gained in this area.

25. The Group thinks that the principles of responsibility, solidarity and mutual
trust are prerequisites for the definition of a common policy in this area. The
need for implementation of these principles will have to be fully integrated into
the next multi-annual programme.

This is a gold mine of info there's lots to digest.

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166. The European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) provides the political
framework for our cooperation with the “near abroad”, i.e. our Mediterranean
partners and the countries further to the East and Southeast. Our self-interest
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in upgrading policies in these countries is self-evident – they are at the
doorstep of the European Union. The ENP builds upon existing agreements
between the European Union and the partner in question (Partnership and
Cooperation Agreements or Association Agreements). The bilateral ENP
Action Plans cover ambitious chapters on justice, freedom and security policy,
thus giving the relationship a closeness which differs from cooperation with
other third countries. The implementation of JHA reforms by ENP partners will
also be vital for ensuring the success of the whole policy, which aims at
enhancing the security of the European Union by exporting stability to their
neighbours.
167. The European Union's proximity policy towards the Mediterranean region is
governed by the comprehensive Euro-Mediterranean Partnership. The
Mediterranean has a strategic importance for the European Union's stability
and security. The regional dimension of the MEDA programme has proven
particularly useful in the AFSJ, spreading a message of developing confidence
in cooperation among the countries concerned on such sensitive issues as
migration, justice and police. This should be developed further.

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The Rise of the Chicken:

Ten EU countries fail to improve hen cages
Today @ 09:03

By EUOBSERVER
.The European Commission has sent reasoned opinions to 10 Member States for not implementing a directive about extra space in cages to egg-laying hens, which came into force 1 January after 12 years of preparation. Cages must provide each hen with at least 750 cm² of cage area.
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[eschologizer]

LOL at yer last post. Very nice! The Rise of the Chicken. That would be a very interesting eschatological figure haha!!

Very good catch with respect to the reflection group website! I didn't know where that was. Granted I didn't look very hard but those things can be quite hard to find.

These guys seem to be up to no good and really want that EU super state, thats for sure!

I find it interesting that they mention that the ENP has something associated with security policy attached to it. Isaiah 28 talks about the covenant with death. The leaders of Israel feel confident that when the scourge sweeps by, that they won't be included in the attack. The metaphor of overflowing waters is also present, which sweeps them away. It also refers to a destruction that God decrees for the earth.

Interestingly enough, many of these similar wording is found in Daniel 9:26-27. References to the end coming with a flood. Reference to a covenant which ends badly. Reference to "destruction." All of these at least have a word similarity, if not a motif similarity, with the isaiah 28 passage as a whole about the covenant with death.

So I am wondering how Israel's security fits in, and what makes them finally think they have a false sense of security, and how that is related to the ENP?

Should be interesting in the days ahead. Good find James!!

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/sch%C3%A4 ... s-go-waste

This interview is a must read, if Schauble has as much influence as confidence then Germany wants to hand over all its sovereignty to the EU.

SPIEGEL: How do you intend to correct this deficit?

Schäuble: So far, member states have almost always had the final say in Europe. This cannot continue. In key political areas, we have to transfer more powers to Brussels, so that each nation state cannot block decisions.

SPIEGEL: You want nothing less that a United States of Europe.

Schäuble: Even though the term is used repeatedly, it doesn't make it any better. No, the Europe of the future will not be a federal state based on the model of the United States of America or the Federal Republic of Germany. It will have its own structure. It's an extremely exciting venture.

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France joins Westerwelle's 10, more relevant or less?

http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/EN/Europ ... ?nn=479786

This time the foreign ministers of Spain, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Austria, Poland and Portugal came together in Palma de Mallorca to exchange views on the future form of the Common Foreign and Security Policy. The issues of energy, climate change and migration were also on the agenda. Foreign Minister Westerwelle and the host, Spanish Foreign Minister José Manuel García Margallo y Marfil, jointly chaired the meeting. The ministers were also received by His Royal Highness Crown Prince Felipe of Spain.

http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/spip.p ... icle=17436

Mr. Laurent Fabius will visit Spain from July 20 to 21.......

The minister also accepted the invitation from the German Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mr. Guido Westerwelle, to participate in the next meeting of the “Reflection Group on the Future of Europe,” which will this time be held in Palma de Mallorca from July 20 to 21, and which will principally focus on “Europe as a global player.”