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...why do we continue to see everyone scrambling to try and come up with a plan to bring "peace and safety" to the Middle East?
view [ENP] more as an economic bargaining chip the EU can utilize to achieve its goals in the Middle East if it chooses to do so.
Steve wrote:I don't think enough nudging is going to take place in the next ....12 days.
I admit that maybe the ENP could be renewed 7 yrs from now for another 7 yrs, and maybe Solana's successor could be the anti-Christ.
What I meant by "last seven-year term" is the coming EU budget term will be the last one that's for seven years. The next budget terms are to be only for five-years.
Herb
watch2000 wrote:I am starting to lean toward the AC being muslim. But the ENP,solona,EU is still a very good possibilty.
Final Trumpet wrote:watch2000 wrote:I am starting to lean toward the AC being muslim. But the ENP,solona,EU is still a very good possibilty.
I don't think he will due to this verse:
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
This passage indicates that the AC will not regard God, Jesus, or any of the false gods out there. He regards only himself. However, on a side note, Solana fits the description because he has much disregard for religion (I think he has a secular outlook since he was once a proponent of socialism).
Final Trumpet wrote:watch2000 wrote:I am starting to lean toward the AC being muslim. But the ENP,solona,EU is still a very good possibilty.
I don't think he will due to this verse:
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
This passage indicates that the AC will not regard God, Jesus, or any of the false gods out there. He regards only himself. However, on a side note, Solana fits the description because he has much disregard for religion (I think he has a secular outlook since he was once a proponent of socialism).
Daniel 11:38
But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
This clearly points out that the Antichrist will be a New Ager, because they actively teach that god isnt a person, but a force or energy.
It does not mean forces of nature it means army forces or fortresses. The AC becomes such a great military victor he thinks he is a god.
WhiteH2OWoman wrote:I understand "god of forces" to mean someone who practically worships military power. In that respect, Solana is dead-on, since he has sole power over the EU's military forces.
Is anyone else getting huge goosebumps given that it's December 29th, 2006 and the 70th Week of Daniel/Revelation 7-year countdown COULD be starting in...like, gulp...3 DAYS???
And if it does (Steve and Doug, please note my use of the words "could" and "if"), we would know within the next 3 days if it's going to be a pre-trib rapture or not! WOW!
Gog/Magog battle, then the 7 years begin immediately thereafter.
Is Gog/Magog going to happen in the next 3 days?
Final Trumpet wrote:Gog/Magog battle, then the 7 years begin immediately thereafter.
Is Gog/Magog going to happen in the next 3 days?
Why do some insist that G/M battle will happen before the 70th week? There is nothing that I have seen that indicates this. If it is due to the "7 years of weapon burning" that still is not an indicator that Gog/Magog is before. People assume that need for fuel absolutly cannot happen in the Millenium even though there is no indication of that in the scriptures. There will still be regular humans on the earth and they are still bound by natural laws.
3While they are saying, "Peace and safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape.
Seeker wrote:Hey Doug who is going to stand the walls and mountains back up for the last 7 years![]()
Eze 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
And wouldn't you think people might freak when every creature on earth, including them, shake at the presence of God?
Peace Seeker
Douggg wrote:
uh.... are we reading from the same bible?
Sherree wrote:Let's just say that Jan. 1 doesn't start the trib. Those who believe that it does start tomorrow, will you go around claiming and telling everyone that we are now in the trib? Without any confirmation whatsoever? This scare me, cause if it's not the start, couldn't a lot of folks be lead astray?
Forgive me for not having a better understanding. Just wondering, though?
Sherree wrote:Let's just say that Jan. 1 doesn't start the trib. Those who believe that it does start tomorrow, will you go around claiming and telling everyone that we are now in the trib? Without any confirmation whatsoever? This scare me, cause if it's not the start, couldn't a lot of folks be lead astray?
Forgive me for not having a better understanding. Just wondering, though?
Salty Skipper wrote:
And, by the way, the tribulation is not 7 years long. It looks to be about 3 1/2 years long. That 3 1/2 is still a ways off even if the ENP is "it."
God pours His spirit after Israel knows God is in the midst of her, He is the Lord Israel’s God and there is no other God, and Israel will never be ashamed. So we have several places that show that God pours His spirit out on Israel after Jesus has returned. Show me your scriptural references showing God pouring out His spirit prior to the beginning of the last 7 years.
So yes, it is during that seven years immediately following Gog/Magog that God pours out his Spirit upon the Jews... to draw them to Jesus. 144,000 of them have special significance.
Note in Rev 12:17 in green below the JEWS have the testimony of Jesus for that second half of the seven years.)
That's why when the Antichrist ascends from the bottomless pit - he has them killed at the beginning of the mid-point.... and the first of the judgements to befall the earth and the Antichrist the beast's rule is a great earthquake that hits Jerusalem.
That's why when the Antichrist ascends from the bottomless pit - he has them killed at the beginning of the mid-point.... and the first of the judgements to befall the earth and the Antichrist the beast's rule is a great earthquake that hits Jerusalem.
Sherree wrote:Thank you, too Woman for your reply, also. I was trying to get a better understanding, and stated that at the end of my post. There was no reason for you to call me names, and play to the mods. to back up your reasoning for it! There seem to be people who are very opinionated on both sides, here. I'm just asking questions out of fear. Is this still allowed in your opinion?
Sorry if you had a bad day and are touchy...hope it gets better.
Sherree wrote:
If you were not including me in among all the others you were speaking of, you should have started another post to address your concerns! Anyone who read your post could have, and some did, think you were speaking directly to me! See, you were misunderstood by more than just me. That's where opinions can get you. Facts and facts only, that's what I recommend!
Jesus feet stand on the mount of Olives just after God fights against those nations. The Lord comes with all His saints in Zec 14:5. When does that happen?
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
Those which sleep (dead) in Jesus will God bring with Him. So Jesus brings saints with Him prior to our rapture. If Jesus brings the saints with Him in both Zec 14 and 1Th4 they are the same event. This only occurs once. This sets the timing to when Jesus returns. It is very near the end of the last 7 years at the battle of Armageddon. You can continue to espouse your theories Doug but they don’t match what the bible says happens.
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Note in Rev 12:17 in green below the JEWS have the testimony of Jesus for that second half of the seven years.)
If they have the testimony of Jesus why would Jesus allow them to be persecuted? Let’s review. God pours His spirit out on Israel near the cosmic signs. The cosmic signs occur after the midpoint (AoD) and after the worst tribulation Israel has or will ever see has ended.
So you are saying that after God pours His spirit out upon the Jews these things happen. They go through the tribulation after God has poured His spirit out upon them…hmmm.
Anyway I hope God doesn't pour His spirit out on Israel in a manner that matches your scenario because His spirit seems to cause them to be persecuted and killed for at least 3 1/2 years while they have the spirit of God poured out on them.
Seeker wrote:1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
Those which sleep (dead) in Jesus will God bring with Him. So Jesus brings saints with Him prior to our rapture. If Jesus brings the saints with Him in both Zec 14 and 1Th4 they are the same event. This only occurs once. This sets the timing to when Jesus returns. It is very near the end of the last 7 years at the battle of Armageddon. You can continue to espouse your theories Doug but they don’t match what the bible says happens.
I think there's a misunderstanding on where the dead in Christ are. They are not currently with Christ to be coming back with Him.
After meeting the Lord in the air, he takes the resurected saints and raptured saints in their eternal incorruptible redeemed bodies to heaven...
where we will spend 7 years (pretrib) or 3 1/2 years (approx. prewrath) in heaven with Jesus..... before returning to this earth for the Zechariah 14 event.
Douggg wrote:Brother Triton,I think there's a misunderstanding on where the dead in Christ are. They are not currently with Christ to be coming back with Him.
"To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord?" (paraphrased) Ever hear of that one?
When a Christian dies, his or her soul goes instanteously to heaven to be with Jesus.
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