Child paints heavenly visions..but is she a new ager?

[D4Christ]

The topic of the child prodigy was already started in another thread, but what I want to address, besides her obvious talent, is what she says about her paintings.

I know she attributes her work to inspiration from G-d...she wouldn't be the first, but has anyone bothered to read some of what she says. I am not trying to be a neighsayer, but she sounded like every new age guru I have read...her speech was flowery, fluffy and I was left with the feeling that somebody said something really deep but I missed it...or did I?

I am just wondering if anyone else picked up on vibes other than the ones that tell you she is gifted. Below is my comment that I think is worth repeating and is included at the end of the original thread about her work. Here is her webpage. **edited 9:25 pm**


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I think this young girl’s paintings are striking. And there are several that I am drawn to (nature pictures) that I would desire to own. But I cannot help but feel a bit of unease with her and a bit weirded out by some of her comments. She has a very “new age” tone to her and she sounds like many new agers, including Oprah…just mentioning enough Jesus and G-d to be accepted by (most) Chrisitans.

For example, on her site she states:

“It was God's timing ; I had been looking for a Jesus model for two years, and I could not find the right face. Then one day I asked my family to pray with me all day. We petitioned God to send the model right through our front door. The next day a tall carpenter came in. He was so humble, and I was surprised that he agreed to model for me. But a week later he called back to say that he was unworthy to represent his master. We all prayed together again, and a few days later he called back to tell us that God wanted him to do it, but he had to cut his hair and beard in three days...”

Why would G-d encourage her to make a graven image of Him, when it is expressly forbidden in the bible?

Isaiah 42:8 “I am the Lord; that is My name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images.”

Exodus 20:4 “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.”

Deuteronomy 7:5 “But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.”

Since G-d has this thing against people making images of gods, why would he then commission someone to make an image of Himself. Here is another excerpt from a poem that goes along with her painting, “Supreme Sanctuary.”

“Permanent maps of curly wind, challenge all lanterns. Only Light could show me where I am by throwing ropes of colored aroma to impatient foliage. Inside the light of a blossom the day never ends.

For some reason I can't wait, to be mixed up into the chaste pigments of all experiences. For some reason, I can't wait for the journey which is the only way to reach the Light.

In the new earth I believe there will be a place where each of us will be able to choose and create a sanctuary for worship. I believe that certain things will be somewhat similar to the earth and many things completely different.”

The manner is which she refers to the “Light” reeks of new-age speech. And where does she come up with the idea that in the new earth we will all choose and create a sanctuary for worship.? Where is this ever said in the bible?

The bible says in Revelation 22:18-19, “18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.”

The bible clearly warns us about adding or taking away from the prophecy found in the bible. Revelation tells us a lot about what the new heavens and earth will be like and her description is not among them. She reminds me of websites that promote indigo children. These are supposed to be highly sensitive “genius-like” children, who through their intuitive spiritual nature, will help ease all of man-kind into a new age to come where man will walk in union with god.

I am not saying she is a new ager, but I know the term “Light” is coined by them to mean whomever the “Light” represents to them. In their thinking it could be Jesus, Budda, the Dahli Lama…it does not matter. I think we should test what she says against the bible and not get so hyped over someone because they paint beautiful pictures and then attribute them to G-d. The bible tells us that not everyone that thinks they know G-d will enter into heaven. I am just cautious.

Matthew 7:20-23, “Therefore, you will fully know them by their fruits. 21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name and driven out demons in Your name and done many mighty works in Your name? 23 And then I will say to them openly (publicly), I never knew you; depart from Me, you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].”

[Salty Skipper]

I didn't actually listen to the interview, I just went to the site to see her work. I couldn't listen to it because my husband was asleep in the room. Since I didn't hear what she had to say, I'm going to take a stab in the dark...the artist types that I have known, in particular the ones who say they are Christians, often use language that is "flowery" and sort of "touchy-feely." Not the types of words and phrases that I would use. Since I didn't hear what this young girl had to say, I don't know if this is the case. It very well could be that she has been drawn in by the new age. It may just be that she uses the words and phrases an artist, or a 12 year old girl would choose.

Regarding graven images...I do not equate an artist's rendering of Jesus to a graven image. Of course, I've never sought to worship any picture of Jesus, or regarded the image as Holy. I have been inspired to think of the Lord (who He is, what He is like, what the scriptures say about Him) sometimes when I have seen certain pictures that artists have painted of Him. I'm interested in what others have to say about this.

[MacD23]

While I didn't read any of the information on the site, when I first went to it yesterday because of another thread that was posted here... I though the images had a "new age" ring to them, but the girl is 10 years old or something? I mean, come on... a Unicorn or two is pretty typical in a little girls world.

I doubt she has a large doctrine base to base a lot of her drawings from.

My bet, is her parents may have a new age perspective to them, and as such the paintings may portray that, but I couldn't go so far to accuse her of being a new ager.

[studybug]

Interesting....I had the same feeling...but I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt. But I definitly had that doubtful feeling.

Some of the stuff she says about her poetry is newagy....

[Mttw633]

Here's a blurb on her mother and child portrait.

Mother's Love



I painted Mary in a silky blue robe surrounded by a background palette of cerulean, cobalt and Persian blue. This is how I interpreted the vision of baby Jesus and his beautiful young mother. The robe connects both of them as if there were one.

Mary is the symbol of love, warmth, affection, tenderness and devotion. Her story is the story of love and faith. What other mother can call her son her heavenly father? Hers is the most unusual life: to protect and raise the Savior.

Mary with her tender love embraced Jesus at birth, embraced him on the Cross and embraced him on his resurrection.

That is why the lower hand in a shadow is her witnessing the crucifixion, and the upper hand in light is her witnessing both the birth and the resurrection.

So, I think she is a christian:
1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

[D4Christ]

While I didn't read any of the information on the site, when I first went to it yesterday because of another thread that was posted here... I though the images had a "new age" ring to them, but the girl is 10 years old or something? I mean, come on... a Unicorn or two is pretty typical in a little girls world.

I doubt she has a large doctrine base to base a lot of her drawings from.

My bet, is her parents may have a new age perspective to them, and as such the paintings may portray that, but I couldn't go so far to accuse her of being a new ager.

I agree she seems to be a sweet innocent girl. But most ten year old girls that may play with a Unicorn doll or two don't talk about the Light and co-creating in the spirit....at least not in my humble opinion.

I am just suggesting that every form of apostosy is not going to be as obvious as Benny Hinn. A cute little girl who paints about G-d does not raise any antenna or pose any threats, does she? I remember the bible talking about Satan being an angel of light, and a wolf dressing in sheep's clothing.

We must be aware as Christians that just as we see things sprirtiually lining up around us for the impeding end-time battle, the enemy is just as busy. We wait for the messiah and so do those who do not beleive in Jesus Christ as the only way to G-d....only they call it the Light. 2 Thessalonians warns us that if it were possible the very elect would be fooled. The enemy is too smart to approach Christians looking like Marilyn Manson. Satan knows only too well that language peppered with G-d, love, unity and a little bit of Jesus, will appeal to many Chrisitans...no questions asked.

There is a movement in the new age realm that expects gifted children, often called Indigo's to save our world. I do not have the time or energy to make this nonesense up. Read about it here and take a look at an exerpt below:

"Anshallah, antui nahadre entu ansham. And so we come to you with great illumination of Light.
It is that on this occasion we wish to speak to you of the children. It is that for many years of your earth time, your children have been arriving with the gifts as it was in the Beginning…
…These little Beings are coming with the abilities to see past the illusions.
…It is that these children are coming forth into this world as it is written that they must at this time. …. It is that these children carry the vibration that brings into harmony your world and the One.
...It is that these children are sensitive to the feelings, the essences of others. It is that they are able to see what is truth within and around all things, and these children are not accepting of untruths in their realities.
…These children are highly intuitive….
…It is that we ask you to become aware of these children, for it is they who bring you light, bring you Truth to your existences in ways that you are only beginning to become aware of.
It is that we ask you to nurture the gifts of these crystalline children, as they bring to you that which is an important part of your evolution toward becoming beings of light in your original form. Praise their difference.
…These children come with the ability to teach you to operate as the One. It is that these children carry the ways of the future that will assist you in wholeness for a world of harmony, of peace, for within them is carried the vibration of all things. The One."

There are people who are embracing children with "gifts" like this child. What's even more deep is they beleive these children will change the world. I suppose the enemy is playing a good game becasue of all the ways most visualize the enemy fooling us, many would not suspect an innocent, G-d loving child.

[D4Christ]

Here's a blurb on her mother and child portrait.

Mother's Love



I painted Mary in a silky blue robe surrounded by a background palette of cerulean, cobalt and Persian blue. This is how I interpreted the vision of baby Jesus and his beautiful young mother. The robe connects both of them as if there were one.

Mary is the symbol of love, warmth, affection, tenderness and devotion. Her story is the story of love and faith. What other mother can call her son her heavenly father? Hers is the most unusual life: to protect and raise the Savior.

Mary with her tender love embraced Jesus at birth, embraced him on the Cross and embraced him on his resurrection.

That is why the lower hand in a shadow is her witnessing the crucifixion, and the upper hand in light is her witnessing both the birth and the resurrection.

So, I think she is a christian:
1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

Thanks for the comment. But I would like to ask why you feel she is a Christian? Does talking about the baby Jesus, and the Savior make you a Chrisitan? Because if it does then even Satan would have to be saved because he knows who G-d is and the demons even recognized and acknowledged Christ in the New Testament.

And she never says Jesus is Lord. Just saying the name Jesus is not enough. There are many people named Jesus. Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus denotes and acknowledges that G-d manifested himself in the flesh of Jesus and became Christ the annointed One.

[susanah]

I was kind of wondering the same thing when I was looking at her work. I guess the pyramid picture kind of had me wondering - because she says her visions are from God. They are beautiful, but they don't particularly point me to the Lord. But the Lord has definitely gifted her. My 3 cents (inflation you know).

[mouserpg]

I read an article about this girl around a year ago (I think it was on CNN?), it said that she accepts all religions. A few things come to mind about that:

1) Deceived.
2) Added there by CNN against her will.

But y'know, she's just a kid... sounds like she needs to be guided to the truth. It's easy to believe in "all religions" as a kid, because when I was a kid, I used to believe like that until the Lord sent someone to set me straight. I wasn't a christian until then, but I cannot judge her. My stance was "we all worship the same God anyway", but that wasn't true. Pray for her.

[Mttw633]

What other mother can call her son her heavenly father? Hers is the most unusual life: to protect and raise the Savior.

Mary with her tender love embraced Jesus at birth, embraced him on the Cross and embraced him on his resurrection.

She believes Jesus is the Savior-and in the triune God-which is difficult enought in itself to explain, and that he died and was resurrected. I understand your uneasiness though.

[wkc]

I guess I have to add my uneasiness as well.

At first I was blown away by the beauty of her work at such a young age. I emailed links to her site to friends/family.

But the more I thought about her work and some of her poems and stories behind the paintings, then I began to feel uneasy.

There were no references to scripture, no references to salvation, only "light."

Later, I began thinking that a trend seems to be emerging (no pun intended). It seems to be in the new movements, i.e. we follow Jesus, we do the good works that He did, we live out what He taught. On the surface it sounds right, but the basic message of Jesus himself, the gospel preached by Peter in Acts, bears out that there are missing elements.

Are these groups trying to follow Jesus like many follow the Dali Llama, Mohammad, Budda?

How can you convince people that one cannot be a disciple without being born of the Spirit?

Thoughts?

Winnie

[soundingthealarm]

Thanks for the comment. But I would like to ask why you feel she is a Christian? Does talking about the baby Jesus, and the Savior make you a Chrisitan? Because if it does then even Satan would have to be saved because he knows who G-d is and the demons even recognized and acknowledged Christ in the New Testament.

And she never says Jesus is Lord. Just saying the name Jesus is not enough. There are many people named Jesus. Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus denotes and acknowledges that G-d manifested himself in the flesh of Jesus and became Christ the annointed One.

Well said!!!!!
I also think another problem is that many of us just can not accept the fact that there will be children in hell. It may sound harsh, but it is true. Once they reach the age of discernment, they must make the right choice.

Brothers and Sisters, please pray and be very careful in these last days.

[kazbo]

D4Christ, I agree with you. Something's not right.

Who am I to say God isn't using her for his glory, but I for one feel a little weirded out as well. Some deceptions (maybe those set up specifically to trap believers) are so subtle and sound so good on the surface, but something nudges you gently that something's off somewhere. Seems to me the traps that are most effective for believers are those that talk of Jesus but don't actually promote him as a NEEDED Savior. And she mentions how we're all children of God, but are we? I thought only believers were his children, and others are children of their father, the devil.

Oh, and I loved what you said: "her speech was flowery, fluffy and I was left with the feeling that somebody said something really deep but I missed it..." That is so how new-agers speak! Like what they're saying has such depth, and yet there's nothing there. My sister had postcards hung in her home with quotes from Deepak Chopra (sp?) and that is exactly what got me about them - they sounded so spiritual, but my brain was left trying to grasp what was really there, and there just WASN'T anything solid there. Like a castle built on air. But it took me a while to figure out they were empty, because I kept questioning myself, that surely it was me who was missing the message.


And hello to everyone, by the way. I was on these boards a couple of years ago but apparently never wrote down my user name/password, so re-registered just now. Thanks for having me back.

[Abiding in His Word]

kazbo! Happy to have you with us!

[Salty Skipper]

kazbo

[water]

Yes, I suppose she could be a goat-blood drinking Satanist. I think her art is amazing though for her age.

Edit: I did not want anyone to think I was making fun of them, I just have a wierd sense of humor at times. It is good to be wise as serpents and peaceful as doves.

[soundingthealarm]

D4Christ you were right! Akaine has admitted to being an Indigo Child. She was interviewed for the documentary "The Indigo Evolution". See here.

On the bottom of the web page, click on "View the Hopi Clip" button to see her interview.

[ChurchGirl]

I have to look into the whole Indigo thing - first I've ever heard of it. But I can tell you - my born out of wedlock daughter (the father was a beater) - began talking to me about Jesus and angels as soon as she could talk - and I was telling her then that Jesus was just a good man like MLK! (sick just thinking about it) I was a single mom and my daughter had no Christian influences in her life at all. All very business and very secular world we lived in until she was nine.

Without reading anything on that site - I have to say I know that my daughter now 12 - has known Jesus as her savior from day one. There is no other way to explain it. I was so busy in my life that I had to hit rock bottom in many areas to believe God was real. For her - Jesus was second nature - she ALREADY knew Him, and was witnessing to her mother - the only person in her life she could. The words she used were simple words of a child, but not lacking ANY punch at all.

If there are children out there who just seem to know Jesus - who am I to doubt they don't. Our God is an awesome God - and in the end times he will be pouring His spirit out to his sons and daughters.

[soundingthealarm]

Hello Churchgirl,

Please do not take offense where none is directed. I think it is beautiful that Christ revealed Himself to your daughter while she was still so innocent.

I have heard about the Indigo children in the past and wanted to share my concerns. The word of G-d tells us that in these Last Days, even the very elect will be fooled. I think we should just pray constantly and be aware of everything around us.

I would not use the following site to do a research paper, but this is all I could quickly come up with. There is much information on the web, but I enjoy wikipedia for some things. Ask the Lord for discernment as you read and do your research.

Below is a portion of the information I found on Wilkipedia: (I hope G-d continues to reveal Himself to your little one ).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children

Indigo children
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Indigo children is a term used within the New Age movement to refer to children who are alleged to possess paranormal attributes such as the ability to read minds.

The Indigo child concept was first publicized in 1999 by the book The Indigo Children: The New Kids Have Arrived, written by the husband-and-wife team of Lee Carroll and Jan Tober [1]. Carroll insists that the concept was obtained via conversations with a spiritual entity known as Kryon.

The reason for the use of the adjective "indigo" is not universally agreed upon: some sources link it with an early researcher into the phenomenon, who was synesthetic. It has also been claimed that these children appear with an indigo-hued aura.

Contents [hide]
1 Environment and evolution
2 Characteristics
3 Reasoning
4 Claimed Indigo abilities
5 "April children"
6 Critical interpretations
7 Scientific investigation
8 Education
9 Commercialization
10 In fiction
11 References
12 External links
12.1 Proponents
12.2 Skeptic resources
12.3 Media coverage
12.4 Social and networking



[edit] Environment and evolution
The Indigo Child movement believes that the children in question are born with an empathic connection to Earth and others' thoughts. However, due to natural limits in infant communication, Indigo children's supposed abilities (empathy, telepathy, extra-sensory perception and extra-normal perception) are often suppressed by negative parental or societal influence. The Indigo Child movement therefore encourages parents to support those children in whom can be seen traits which are often labeled as negative by mainstream authorities but as positive by Indigo Child theorists.


[edit] Characteristics
Carroll and Tober identify ten attributes that they assert describe Indigo children. From www.indigochild.com:

They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).
They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others do not share that.
Self-worth is not a big issue; they often tell the parents "who they are."
They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and do not require creative thought.
They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (non-conforming to any system).
They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
They are not shy in letting it be known what they need.
In her article [1] Wendy H. Chapman (enlightenment teacher at and Director of Metagifted Education Resource Organization [2]) says that Indigo children will also display many of the following:

Have strong self esteem, connection to source
Have an obvious sense of self
Refuse to follow orders or directions
Get bored rather easily with assigned tasks
Are rather creative
Display strong intuition
Have either strong or no empathy for others
Develop abstract thinking very young
Are gifted and/or talented, highly intelligent
Are often identified or suspected of having ADHD
Are frequent daydreamers
Have very old, deep, wise looking eyes
Critics point out that these traits are not unique, and are observable in most children (see Critical interpretations below).


[edit] Reasoning
Adherents believe that this new type of child has come forward for a reason; most often suggested is that they will improve the world in some way. The changes generally discussed involve bringing peace, toppling corrupt institutions, and a shift from allopathic medicine to a greater understanding of more natural alternatives. Indigo children are said by proponents to be more in touch with something called the "Universal Truth", and do not tolerate or understand behaviors or systems that are not in harmony with it.

Indigo children are sometimes said to possess an extreme longevity, but given the birth dates above, experimental verifiability of this belief is impossible.


[edit] Claimed Indigo abilities
Many discussions of Indigo children in New Age literature (including Kryon literature) claim that Indigo children are born with part of their DNA activated that most people do not have activated. Some claim that it is junk DNA that they utilize to "swap out" higher-dimensional information, giving them special abilities.

These abilities are said to include purging HIV, advanced genius and psychic/telekinetic powers [2] [3] speaking to the dead.[4] Further claimed abilities include:

Highly intelligent.
Often very creative.
Developmentally advanced in reading walking, talking, etc.
Psychic/intuitive abilities.
Multi-dimensionally awareness; they perceive a broader range of reality.
Telepathic abilities.
They sense and feel energies from people or other living things (aura reading).
Telekinesis, etc. Moving objects with their mind energy and thought.
Awareness of scientific, historical, anthropological and spiritual knowledge not consciously learnt. Sometimes called 'knowledge bombs'.
Awareness of past lives.
Extremely empathic to all creatures, not just humans but animals and plants.
They can communicate with the unseen world, spirits and angels.
Multi-dimensional healing abilities.
Manifest unusual artwork, languages and scripts.
They experience dreams where they are being taught how to use their high sense abilities on space craft.
Dual consciousness; feeling part human and part extraterrestrial.
Have a sense of mission or higher purpose.

[ChurchGirl]

The Indigo website spooked me out a lot. I've just finished reviewing it and I have no desire to see the film. I honestly cannot say whether this child is saved or not after seeing what she is involved with here. However, this is not at all what my daughter experienced with Jesus - .

Thank you for your post soundingthealarm. I love that I have the fellowship here where we can really test the spirits!

I am glad I posted about Kierra before reading the site too - as it would have made me hesitate to mention anything at all. And I do know that Jesus touched her from an early early age.

If this is what deceit looks like it is no wonder we better gear up with the Armor of God especially in these last days....YIKES!!!

[kazbo]

Landlover and Passion, you might want to check in to a low-carb diet. Before you write that off as quackery, take some time to read about it, because it is NOT what many articles say it is. It's been an eye-opening experience to read the actual books, then read what's written about them, and see how inaccurate so much of the reporting is.

I lost 35 pounds EFFORTLESSLY (I never thought I'd say that about any diet) several years ago by cutting out sugar, making sure I was eating enough protein (not 'high' protein), drinking enough water, and bringing the carbs down. I never felt so great. I was rarely hungry (that was such bliss) and had so much energy, and felt so much clearer mentally.

The book I used at the time was "Protein Power". A terrible title (possibly required by the publisher) because the book is not about eating tons of protein, but only what the body requires. So many times I've seen low-carb diets touted as unhealthy, but none I've ever researched said to cut out all carbs, only the "worst" ones. I can tell you, by how I felt, it certainly wasn't unhealthy for me. The premise of the book is to eat healthy levels of carbs, proteins, and fats.

Anyway, the reason I mention all of this is because of the cholesterol problems you're having. The author of Protein Power included an excellent section on cholesterol, and how it's not a simple relationship between eat less fat/cholesterol, lower your cholesterol. Most of the cholesterol in your body is created by your own body, and is not a result of eating cholesterol. They talk too about how eating less calories while burning more calories often does NOT result in lost weight, and why. The body is more complicated than being a simple furnace where you put in less fuel and lose weight (as you've discovered). There are many other factors that come into it.

Other than checking out a low-carb diet to naturally reduce your weight and cholesterol, I also highly recommend "The Metabolic Typing Diet" book. It recognizes that low-carb works wonderfully for some people, higher carb/less protein works great for others, and a balance between the too is best for others. All based on your body's own individual biochemistry. There are questionnaires in the book that help you determine your own metabolic type (which can change within your lifetime).

I hope this helps!

[kazbo]

Oops. Obviously I posted this in the wrong thread.

Sorry!