Ark of the Covenant...in Ethiopia?

[sparkly]

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Has anyone heard this claim, that the Ark was taken to Ethiopia for safekeeping when the temple was destroyed, and is still guarded and protected there?

[mouserpg]

I honestly 100% doubt it.

Why? Do you remember when Obed-Edom had the ark with him? The Lord blessed that man and he had enough. Ethopia certainly doesn't look like they have enough. The ark was not forcibly kept by Obed-Edom. However, the nation that forcibly kept the Ark started breaking out with hemmoroids and the like.

If it was taken there for "safekeeping", the Ethopians would be blessed. Not starving by the masses.

Here's some scripture:

10So David would not remove the ark of the LORD unto him into the city of David: but David carried it aside into the house of Obededom the Gittite.

11And the ark of the LORD continued in the house of Obededom the Gittite three months: and the LORD blessed Obededom, and all his household.

11And the ark of God was taken; and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were slain.

1And the Philistines took the ark of God, and brought it from Ebenezer unto Ashdod.

6But the hand of the LORD was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and he destroyed them, and smote them with emerods, even Ashdod and the coasts thereof.

[Ibelieve]

History International did an interesting show on this & mentioned this as a possible hiding place for it. The show is a series called Digging for the Truth. The episode was Josh's Journal: The lost ark.

[soldieroflight]

History International did an interesting show on this & mentioned this as a possible hiding place for it. The show is a series called Digging for the Truth. The episode was Josh's Journal: The lost ark.

I saw that episode of Digging for the Truth. They presented a pretty compelling case. I believe Josh is Jewish too.

[barryinaustralia]

Read a book quite a few years ago, The Sign and the Seal by Graham Hancock about this. Could be possible. http://ggreenberg.tripod.com/ancientne/signseal.html

Barry

[Butterfly]

I also saw that episode of Digging For The Truth. It's been awhile but I thought they said it was being protected by Ethiopian jews. It was an interesting show.

Butterfly

[Land Of Hope And Glory]

Ethiopia has AN ark in the sanctuary chapel at Aksum.

The question is whether it is THE Ark.

They certainly say that it is and the people of Aksum hold a celebration and street procession regarding it every year.

Graham Hancock in his book The Sign and the Seal makes a brillian case for it being authentic. He does this from scriptural and historical evidence.

The priests who keep it and guard it say that it is a fearsome thing to behold. There is one priest allowed into the sanctuary. The priests don't seem to last very long though, as they seem to get cancer or a similar affliction and die within a few short years, then a new priest has to take over.

Once Hancock almost sneaked in to see it, but was apprehended and beaten up by guards before he could get into the sanctuary.

I have a documentary they made about all of this back in 1993.

[shieldwolf]

Reading Grant Jeffrey's 'Armaggedon' has a section in it as well where he believes THE Ark is located in Etheopia.

My thought, yes or no, doesn't matter. God will reveal it in His timing and it is ultimately destined to become a relic placed off to the side in the millenial age (Jeremiah 3:16-17). You can place some really solid bet though, that there's going to be strong religious reactions from both sides upon its return to the stage.

Wolf

Contend for the faith

[Bob the Quiet]

I wouldn't put much stock into anything Grant Jeffrey says. In his book "Apocalypse" he seems to have wilfully distorted an ancient Christian document so as to make people think the particular document teaches pre-Trib, when it doesn't. Not to start a rapture debate here, but Grant Jeffry isn't a reliable scholar because of that and similar lies he has told. If you want proof then check out these two articles:

Grant Jeffrey's Apocalypse
Pseudo-Pseudo-Ephraem

[4givenmuch]

I have a friend who works at Khouse and went to Ethiopia to check it all out. There is a compelling case. They have a parade and water type baptism every year to celebrate the ark.

There are also the churches carved out of the rock and they did perform animal sacrifices there. (I have seen the pictures of the tools from my friend.)

The young priest who is currently in charge definitely believes it is the ark and has drawn pictures, but as previously stated, no one gets to go in.

There is a verse in Isaiah 18:7 that talks of them bringing a present to Jesus when He rules and reigns on the earth. Some think it is the lid of the ark that He sits on to rule.

Time will tell!

ps interesting that Phillip was sent to the Ethiopian Eunich to give him the complete understanding of the scriptures!

[EYES&EARS]

I was at a conference when Bob Cornuke and Chuck Missler discussed it.
I think it was the Mercy Seat that they were to bring Is. 18:7 as mentioned.
At www.khouse.org there are 3 articles on it, and 2 radio programs..
Very interesting, if I remember right there were silver trumpets too

[Rob4yeshua]

Sorry to burst eveyone's bubble, but if you read G-d's word correctly you will understand the the Ark was kept in the temple. The temple priests would sprinkle the blood on the mercy seat of the Ark and God would forgive the people's sins.

If we know that G-d's word is true, than the Ark of the covenant can be no other place but directly below where Yeshua our L-rd was crucified. The reason is that the innocent blood of the lamb our G-d, flowed down the cross and after the great earthquake that followed Yeshua's death, the ground opened up beneath him to allow the blood to travel deep into the earth and sprinkle the mercy seat of the Ark. This in turn was our fogiveness. Yeshua's blood had once and for all cleansed us of our sins.

There can be no other resting place for the Ark!




Rob4Yeshua

[sparkly]

Sorry to burst eveyone's bubble, but if you read G-d's word correctly you will understand the the Ark was kept in the temple. The temple priests would sprinkle the blood on the mercy seat of the Ark and God would forgive the people's sins.

If we know that G-d's word is true, than the Ark of the covenant can be no other place but directly below where Yeshua our L-rd was crucified. The reason is that the innocent blood of the lamb our G-d, flowed down the cross and after the great earthquake that followed Yeshua's death, the ground opened up beneath him to allow the blood to travel deep into the earth and sprinkle the mercy seat of the Ark. This in turn was our fogiveness. Yeshua's blood had once and for all cleansed us of our sins.

There can be no other resting place for the Ark!

rob4yeshua

Jesus was not crucified in the Temple. How could the Ark be in the Temple, and yet under Jesus when He died? Also, what scripture/s are you basing your statement on? I have never heard that position before, so am curious. :)


As for the priests getting cancer, that doesn't sound like they are doing the right thing, because if they held the Ark with the Lord's blessing, they would be blessed, not cursed with sickness, as is shown by the old testament. Thanks for those verses, mouserpg. :)

[4givenmuch]

I don't think the priests getting cancer is true. The new guardian is young and he replace a really old guy. I can get specifics if we need to but I am sure it is listed in the Khouse material.

The whole village there believes it is true . . . They believe they were chosen because Solomon had a son with the Queen of Sheba and her heart was for the Lord.

[Kneeologian]

There are others who hold that there is strong compelling evidence that the Ark is under Golgotha, found by amateur archaeologist Ron Wyatt. I don't have the link to the web site, but Google Wyatt Archaeological Research and you'll find it. Which all leads us to conclude: we won't know until the Lord chooses to bring it forth.

[crmann]

Sparkly wrote:

How could the Ark be in the Temple, and yet under Jesus when He died?

Sparkly, there is a belief among many that the Ark was hidden in caverns or tunnels under the hill of Golgotha by the Temple Priest when the earlier temple was destroyed. The Ark was never in the temple that Herod built just before Jesus time.

When Christ died on the cross, there was a very strong earthquake, and many believe this opened the ground and allowed Christ shed blood to fall on the mercy seat of the Ark. This is what Rob4yeshua is referring.

[Chewy]

Hebrews 9 tells us that the blood of Christ did not work its way through rocks, etc, to land on the Ark constructed by Moses, which was a type of the true. The Lord carried His own blood to Heaven to the real mercy seat in Heaven.

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Revelation 11:19 has got to make you wonder, too.

[crmann]

Welcome, Rob4yeshua,



It is good to have you here, and we are glad you have decided to become a part of our fellowship here.

Cleveland

[AndCanItBe]

Rob4Yeshua,

[RickA]

Read a book quite a few years ago, The Sign and the Seal by Graham Hancock about this. Could be possible. http://ggreenberg.tripod.com/ancientne/signseal.html

I read that book too, but even though there is some evidence that an Ark may be in Ethiopia there is also evidence that the Ark is resting underneath the Temple Mount.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShAr ... mNo=286935

one reason I don't think the Ark is in Ethiopia is because of these scriptures.

After the Queen of Sheba left for Ethiopia in 2Ch 9:12, in 2Ch 35:3 it mentions the Ark finally being put to rest in the Temple. It was never heard of again since that time. Was that the real Ark or a replica? I think it was the real Ark and still somewhere underneath the Mount.

2Ch 9:12 And king Solomon gave to the queen of Sheba all her desire, whatsoever she asked, beside that which she had brought unto the king. So she turned, and went away to her own land, she and her servants.

2Ch 35:3 And said unto the Levites that taught all Israel, which were holy unto the LORD, Put the holy ark in the house which Solomon the son of David king of Israel did build; it shall not be a burden upon your shoulders: serve now the LORD your God, and his people Israel,

[Abiding in His Word]

There can be no other resting place for the Ark!

I agree! I have an image I'll look for that shows this.

Great first post!

[Abiding in His Word]

Found it!

[Chewy]

Christ was not an Old Testament Mosaic High Priest. He wasn't even a Levite. He was a High Priest after the order of Melchezidek,not Aaron. He didn't take His blood to the Mosaic Ark of the Covenant, which was but a figure of the true. Rather, He gained access in the true Holy of Holies, which is the Heavenlies. If He only gained access to an earthly Holy of Holies, then big deal. Hebrews 9 makes this very clear. And that's why He is making intercession for us at the Right Hand of the Father, instead of hiding out under Mt. Moriah.


Well, that's how I read it any ways.

Sorry, I don't have a picture drawn by anybody to back it up.

[crmann]

Hi Chewy,

No picture needed, you have it correct.

Cleveland

[Rob4yeshua]

Hi Chewy,

I don't disagree with you. I also beleive that Yeshua went into the heavenly temple, and not the earthly one. You are correct when you state this. I'm not arguing that point. What I am saying is that his blood had to be sprinkled on the mercy seat of the Ark here on earth in order to fulfill G-d's word and promisses made to Israel.

There was no new covenant until Yeshua's blood hit the mercy seat. That's why I believe the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. To show that there would be no need for the Ark any longer. Yeshua's blood had reached the mercy seat. Then he assended to the Holy of Hollies in heaven. He did not bring his blood to the Holy of Hollies in heaven, the blood was a part of what had to happen on the earth in order to redeam it and us.

I may have been a bit harsh in writing what I wrote about bursting everyone's bubble. I did not intend that, so please forgive me. This is just what I beleive. You may beleive differently, and that's OK.
That's what makes us all unique.

Rob4Yeshua

[crmann]

Rob4yeshua and Chewy...

What ever happened with the blood of Jesus, God saw to it that it was not wasted and we can have faith that God took care of it. And because of the shedding of His blood we now have hope that one day we will be with Him.

[Finaldash]

do they have to have the ark to build the temple?

[crmann]

Hi Finaldash,

The ark wasn't even in the Temple in Jerusalem during Jesus' time.

Yes, the Temple can be rebuilt without the ark.

[cccc]

It would not be necessary for the Ark to be present under Golgotha. The Ark was built for the terms of the old Covenant. once Christ shed his blood and died the Old covenant was obsolete it no longer applied. If you read below Christ shedding his blood on the Mercy seat of the ark is not needed. The Ark was for the old Covenant only not the new.







Hebrews 9
Worship in the Earthly Tabernacle
1Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand, the table and the consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. 3Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, 4which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover.[a] But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.
6When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. 7But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. 8The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing. 9This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. 10They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

The Blood of Christ
11When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,[b] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. 12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption. 13The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[c] so that we may serve the living God!
15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

16In the case of a will,[d] it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep."[e] 21In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

23It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.



Hebrews 8
The High Priest of a New Covenant
1The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man.
3Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."[a] 6But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.

7For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8But God found fault with the people and said[b]:
"The time is coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
9It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.
10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."[c]

13By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear

[Finaldash]

Hi Finaldash,

The ark wasn't even in the Temple in Jerusalem during Jesus' time.

Yes, the Temple can be rebuilt without the ark.

thanks Cleveland

[crmann]

Do the original Ten Commandments still exist?

By Zev Kassman

There is good reason to believe that not only the original Ten Commandments that Moses brought down from Mount Sinai, but also a jar of manna, from which the Jews ate during the forty years they traversed the desert prior to coming into the land of Israel still exists buried under the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. (see the Rambam, Mishna Torah, Hilchot Beit HaBecheirah 4:1 and see Tractate Yoma, 53b) These, plus the legendary staff of Aaron the High Priest and a jar of oil to be used in anointing the next king, the new high priest and perhaps the Messiah.

When King Solomon built the first Temple, he constructed according to a prophecy. Each compartment and area was designated for specific purposes and function. Along with the Temple as we know it, an underground passage was created. This passage was made of winding passageways which extended deep under the Temple Mount.

During the four hundred and ten years that the first Temple stood and functioned, the golden ark which housed the original Ten Commandments rested in the area of the Temple Compound called the Holy of Holies. This was an area that only the High Priest was permitted to enter and only on Yom Kippur. When King Josiah, who lived during the final years that the Temple stood, saw the impending tragedy that loomed, he commanded that the four items be taken into hiding. This was some 22 year before the actual destruction of the Temple.

King Josiah was considered a righteous king. He foresaw the imminent destruction coming. When he ordered the precious ark and artifacts taken out of the designated resting place in the Holy of Holies, they were taken out with out knowledge of the population. (see Second Chronicles, 35:3) This means that the Ark was not removed from the Temple through a door way or entrance, but rather by opening a secret underground passage that had been in the Temple since its creation.

During the destruction and pillage of the Temple, the gold and silver vessels were removed and taken to Babylon as booty. There has never been any record of the whereabouts of the ark and it's holy contents. Although Nebuchadnezar, the king of Babylon, and his subsequent successors used the vessels from the Temple, they did not have the ark.

When the second Temple was built, new vessels were made. However, the Holy of Holies existed albeit, with out the ark and it's contents. Yet even though there was a Holy of Holies in the second Temple and even though the High Priest would enter the Holy of Holies to perform the service of Yom Kippur, the ark and the Ten Commandments were not there. Reason is given that in truth the spot on which the Holy of Holies was built was over the secret resting place down deep in the ground under the floor of the Temple. The ark was never brought out of it's hiding place, rather it rests there in hidden slumber waiting for the time of the final Temple, the third and according to tradition last Temple to be built. Then and only then will the ark be removed and brought to it's final and supreme resting place where it and the jar of manna, the jar of the oil and the staff of Aaron will be a source of inspiration for all mankind.

Today there is an interesting phenomenon on the Temple Mount. The Temple Mount now houses two Mosques. One is called the Mosque of Omar and the second is called the Dome of the Rock. The center piece, so to speak of the Dome of the Rock is that in the middle of the mosque a gigantic rock sits. There are many Muslim traditions regarding this rock, however there are those who speculate that perhaps this gigantic rock which is too big too be moved covers the entrance to the secret tunnel.

Perhaps now it is only speculation, however a time soon will come when investigators will be permitted to dig and examine the areas below the Temple Mount. What will be the out come of such a discovery? One thing for sure, nothing this big has ever before been uncovered.

[jesusphreak]

There are others who hold that there is strong compelling evidence that the Ark is under Golgotha, found by amateur archaeologist Ron Wyatt. I don't have the link to the web site, but Google Wyatt Archaeological Research and you'll find it. Which all leads us to conclude: we won't know until the Lord chooses to bring it forth.

I wouldn't put any stock into any claims by Ron Wyatt. He never really provided evidence for his claims. From Answers in Genesis:

There are more claims like these. Could Ron Wyatt have found and solved problems that have baffled professional archaeologists for more than a century, or is there another explanation? Ron invariably has an ‘explanation’ of why he can’t direct others to see all this hard evidence for themselves at these sites’. His occasional seemingly convincing ‘documentation’ (including video-tape) repeatedly withers under independent scrutiny and/or conflicts with the on-site eyewitness testimony of several of his co-expeditionaries. [Ed. note: Wyatt died in 2000].

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/report.asp#Wyatt

There was no new covenant until Yeshua's blood hit the mercy seat.

Isn't that a really dangerous position to take? Doesn't it essentially mean that it was necessary for Jesus's blood to do that before we were saved? Christ's death alone isn't enough? Isn't that extra-Biblical?

[Abiding in His Word]

Perhaps now it is only speculation, however a time soon will come when investigators will be permitted to dig and examine the areas below the Temple Mount. What will be the out come of such a discovery? One thing for sure, nothing this big as ever before been uncovered.

There is a great deal of digging occuring and archeological artifacts are being discovered. For anyone who hasn't read about them, you will find this fascinating:

(in our new Temple Watch forum)

http://fulfilledprophecy.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=20732

http://fulfilledprophecy.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=20369

[daffodyllady]

I am sure of one thing. If it were absolutely necessary for the ark of the covenant to have been in a cavern under the cross, and for that blood of Christ to have run through a fissure, and landed on the top of that mercyseat, for God to have forgiven us, I guarantee you that it would have been in the BIBLE for us to read about it!

I am not meaning to come down hard on anyone. I just think we have the Word to read, and it holds all truth! Why oh why do some people go to such great lengths to come up with "interesting" teachings like this? Why isnt the Bible interesting enough, without inserting things?

[Abiding in His Word]

I am sure of one thing. If it were absolutely necessary for the ark of the covenant to have been in a cavern under the cross, and for that blood of Christ to have run through a fissure, and landed on the top of that mercyseat, for God to have forgiven us, I guarantee you that it would have been in the BIBLE for us to read about it!

I am not meaning to come down hard on anyone. I just think we have the Word to read, and it holds all truth! Why oh why do some people go to such great lengths to come up with "interesting" teachings like this? Why isnt the Bible interesting enough, without inserting things?

daffodyllady, may I suggest you do a search, internet or otherwise, on the Ark of the Covenant as a type? I think you will see that there are beautiful similarities between the Ark of the Covenant and to Jesus Christ and how He fulfilled the Tabernacle service.

Of all the furniture in the Tabernacle of Moses, the Ark of the Covenant was indeed the most important. This was because of the spiritual significance set forth in its wonderful symbolism. There are more references to this piece of furniture than all others. This shows us the importance of this in the mind of God.

The Ark of the Covenant, in all of its history and symbolism was the richest of all symbolism pointing to the Lord Jesus Christ. All that the Ark was to Israel in the OT, Jesus Christ is to His Church in the NT. The history of the Ark is the history of Christ. As the Ark was preeminent in the Tabernacle and Israel, so is Christ in His Church. (Colossians 1:17-19)

If I may share several similarities I have seen in my study of the Ark as a type:

The Ark represented the Throne of God in the earth.

The Ark represented the presence of God among His redeemed people, Israel.

The Ark represented the Glory of God revealed in Divine order in the camp of the saints.

The Ark represented the Fulness of the Godhead bodily revealed in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Exodus 25:10-22 God gave the instructions to build the Ark at Mt. Sinai. It was a small oblong box, the measurements being 21/2 cubits in length, by 11/2 cubits in width, and 11/2 cubits in height. This speaks of the fact that God's throne has a divine standard about it.

It was made of shittim wood, or, one versions translates it "incorruptible wood." Sometimes called the acacia wood is symbolic of Christ's perfect, sinless and incorruptible humanity. (Psalms 16:10; Luke 1:35; 1 Peter 1:23; 1 John 3:5; Jeremiah 23:5; Zechariah 3:8,6:12)

The Ark was overlaid within and without with gold. Gold is generally significant of Deity, or the Divine nature. In the wood and the gold construction we have symbolized the two natures in the one Person of Jesus Christ. It is significant of Deity and Humanity coming together in the new creation. The fulness of the Godhead bodily was in Him. (1Timothy 3:15-16; Isaiah 7:14; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:14' Colossians 1:19;2:9)

There is much more, but I hope you will see that the study of the Ark of the Covenant is scriptural. Just as speculation is permissible in discussion pertaining to prophecy, it's also interesting (and not unscriptural) to do so regarding the Ark.

[sparkly]

Thank you for that last post, AIHW, that puts it into perspective for me.

[Abiding in His Word]

You're welcome, Sparkly.

I should have finished the post with this:

A Type of Christ

The mercy seat protected man from the judgment of God represented by the judgment angels, the Cherubim. Because of the blood that was sprinkled on the mercy seat, man's sin and guilt were washed away and the curse of the law has no effect. The mercy seat foreshadows the Lord Jesus Christ. He is our mercy seat. He forever stands between a holy God and sinful man. Just as the sins of the whole nation were atoned for by the sprinkling of the blood on the mercy seat, so also Christ, by the shedding of His own blood atoned for the sins of the entire world.

Here's a great site if anyone wants to continue to study this topic:

http://www.bible-history.com/tabernacle ... y_Seat.htm

[Ready1]

How does it get into heaven?

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

[Chewy]

For all we know, that's the true one of which the one on the Tabernacle was a figure/type. It may have always been there.

Who knows?! God knows!

[User Formerly Known As]

I thought the US Government had it in a big wharehouse.

[crmann]

Hi, ?...

I thought the US Government had it in a big wharehouse.

Only in the Indiana Jones movie...

[Finaldash]

I heard there's a new one coming out (Indiana Jones).

[Schmize]

Revelation 11:19 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society



19Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.



my two cents

glen

[OneOfTheseDays]

I was reading Jude the other day and it got me thinking about the Ark and why it probably won't ever be found.

8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

Michael battled the Devil over the body of Moses because he didn't want the Devil to use it. The Lord knew that the Devil would use the body of Moses and the Israelities would probably worship it. If people today actually found the Ark, there would be a lot of people who would start worshipping the Ark itself and not the Lord which once dwelt inside it.

[DB]

Revelation 11:19 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society



19Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.



my two cents

glen

I think this passage should be subject to some discussion. A connection I had not consciously made, was the Ark of The Covenant being a type (thanks Abiding). I have heard teaching regarding an actual Temple in heaven. What would be the purpose of this? Is this "Temple" representative of something? Our body is referred to a temple. Do we actually think that God is residing in a building(temple) in heaven?The fact that the Ark was a representative of Christ, makes me wonder if this passage could be read "and within his temple was seen [Jesus Christ]" I'm going to have to do a study on temples and this passage.

[BeTheMoon]

I'm going to move this thread to the "Temple" area. I just realized the initial post referenced a blog.

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I heard there's a new one coming out (Indiana Jones).

Have you noticed that each Indiana Jones movie refers to his (Harrison Fords) age?

How much you want to bet that the 4th film will have the word Tomb in it?

Just kidding Harrison, you know I love you man!


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[Tevye]

I would say that if the Ark is in any place (save Israel)
those people shouldn't just have parades and
gaurd it in a special place,
they should take a photo of it
and lay any doubts to rest,
or is it just all song and dance,
and no reality.
Maybe they have something they think is something
yet actually isn't anything at all.

[Abiding in His Word]

Maybe they have something they think is something
yet actually isn't anything at all.

Very possible, Tevye. I did see a sigment on the History channel where an archeologist was actually allowed to go to the alleged location in Ethiopia where it is housed in a small building that is guarded 24/7. I think your suggestion about a photo would certainly put the mystery to rest.

The Ark has been an interesting matter of much speculation hasn't it?

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A photo wouldn't put it to rest, it would only deepen the mystery further. Thanks to that Surgeon in Scotland and his little bathtub rubber ducky contraption, the mystery of the Loch Ness has carried on a lot longer than it should have. The legend should have drowned in the 30's.

I think most of the ark guards and priests in Ethiopia probably really believe they have the relic, even though its evident they dont. The whole mythology looming around how it got there is purely rediculous. I mean, if Solomon was the sort of man to just hand the ark to one of his adultress lovers sons, then he was more than a fool. He would have tossed away the Old Testament throne of God! I would suspect it wouldn't have gone over well in Israels, or Gods, thinking, and he would have gone down in the Old Testament as one of the great tragic kings, like Saul.

Speaking of mythology, I actually like the lost book of Jeremiah concept a lot better, lost in time, no thanks to public burnings like Julias Caesar's torching of African books and those barbarians in Rome. The idea that Jeramiah was directly responsible for the hiding of the ark and promising that a light would show the way of its location to all men in the last days.

Probably myth as well..... But I like it!


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