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Final Trumpet wrote:I was talking to a co-worker yesterday and we were discussing end-times and she told me that we are not supposed to be concerned with it or obsessing over it. Pretty sad.
biscotti wrote:"Our Daily Bread" is more like a daily cracker....
Final Trumpet wrote:I was talking to a co-worker yesterday and we were discussing end-times and she told me that we are not supposed to be concerned with it or obsessing over it. Pretty sad.
hirutbuddy wrote:So, in this one report, we serious students of Bible prophecy may have all we need to suspect that we could already be in the 70th week of Daniel. And in my opinion, the only arguments that can be raised against this possibility are based either on past speculations, or ignorance of the facts on the ground -- not the Bible.
Does that mean I know for sure we're in the 70th week? Although I believe all the evidence suggests this, I allow room that I could be reading things wrong. However, I know what I see. And so far, what I see matches the prophecy of Daniel's 70th week.
Mathew 24:
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Revelation 6:
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Ezekial 39:3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
Revelation 6:
5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Revelation 6:
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 6:
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Mathew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
but the end is not yet.
As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: You shall not murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; You shall not defraud; Honor your father and mother." He said to him, "Teacher, I have kept all these since my youth." Jesus looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.
Then Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it will be for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!" And the disciples were perplexed at these words. But Jesus said to them again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." They were greatly astounded and said to one another, "Then who can be saved?" Jesus looked at them and said, "For mortals it is impossible, but not for God; for God all things are possible." Mark (10:17-27)
jereome wrote:
Not true, you will know when the time period for the last week has started when the 7 seals are opened.
First off nobody can prove that the Antichrist has stepped on the scene,
bugtussle wrote:Hope I don't sound stupid ...
I have a question, anybody ... why is it the year 5767 by the Jewish calendar? Is their calendar messed up somehow? Seriously, it's just a nagging question i have in regards to end time events.
I see these things happening and kind of wonder about the calendar thingy ...
davis5454 wrote:Jereome -
You assume that the breaking of the 1st seal starts at the 1st day of the 70th week.
If our suspicions are correct, and they are just suspicions, then we are only 2 months into the 70th week.
People assume the two start at the same time (1st seal and 70th week).
But if memory serves me correct, there is no definitive scripture that says they both kick off on the same day. (only speculation)
We admit ours is speculation based on world events and the scriptures.
We are just trying to keep open minds and align the two while "watching" and "being alert" like Jesus commanded.
If we are right - we will have seen it coming.
If we are wrong, we will be willing to admit it.
What happens if you are wrong?
I hope pride won't get in the way.
(show me any two scriptures in the bible that says the tribulation is 7 years long....or any two scriptures that say the start of the 70th week is the start of the seal judjments)
(Just make sure the scriptures explicitly state the facts and that they aren't assumed or having theory read into them.)
Don't get me wrong - I have been 7 year pre-trib all my life while I read what others were teaching...but i've been studying alot lately...and when you compare scripture to scripture, and don't read into it...but out of it...it looks alot more like we will be here for at least the first part of the 7 years. It also looks like the start of the 70th week and the start of the Tribulation don't have to line up to fit the scriptures. That's something man just assumes by reading their ideas into the scriptures.
I do admit however, I have alot more studying to do before I can put it down conclusievely in written form for others to share.
Unfortunately, I fear i'm running out of time.
With Love,
BD
(I know - quit talking)
Sword of Geddon wrote:Anyone think that Cameron's documentary will be the falling away predicted by Jesus before his second coming?
I can see the AC rising after that, Solana or the Muslim messiah(more likely in my mind) The muslims will say, hey look, your book is flawed, ours is the final version, come to islam!
hirutbuddy wrote:You are speculating Jerome. No where does it say the opening of the seals results in ww3. What we are told is that "he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week" this is how we know we are in the 70th week. We will know we are in the middle of the week when "he" sets up the abomination of desolation on the wings of the temple. I am affraid we are in the 70th week at this time in history.
hirutbuddy wrote:You are speculating Jerome. No where does it say the opening of the seals results in ww3. What we are told is that "he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week" this is how we know we are in the 70th week. We will know we are in the middle of the week when "he" sets up the abomination of desolation on the wings of the temple. I am affraid we are in the 70th week at this time in history.
hirutbuddy wrote:The EU is already beginning to devour the whole world. Javier said the world is becoming a system of continents with the African union, Eu, ect. We must not forget, the AC will and is conquering by peace he will destroy many. "he shall come up with a small people" "he is the 11th king" the WEU is the military wing of the EU, Spain was the 11th to join this military wing. Javier controls this military wing-"he shall honor a god of fortresses" To many pieces that fit together perfectly according to the Word of God to discount that the EU is the beast that will devour the whole world.
1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Christ: The role of the redeemer in Gnostic belief is heavily debated at this time. Gnostics seem to have looked upon Christ as a revealer or liberator, rather than a savior or judge. His purpose was to spread knowledge which would free individuals from the Demiurge's control and allow them to return to their spiritual home with the Supreme God at death. Some Gnostic groups promoted Docetism, the belief that Christ was pure spirit and only had a phantom body; Jesus just appeared to be human to his followers. They reasoned that a true emissary from the Supreme God could not have been overcome by the evil of the world, and to have suffered and died. These beliefs were considered heresy by many non-Gnostic Christians. Some Gnostics believed that Christ's resurrection occurred at or before Jesus' death on the cross. They defined his resurrection as occurring when his spirit was liberated from his body. Many Gnostics believed that Jesus had both male and female disciples.
jereome wrote:Problem is that many of the prophecies that are are naming here have already been fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes and do not refer to the Antichrist.
davis5454 wrote:Jereome -
You assume that the breaking of the 1st seal starts at the 1st day of the 70th week.
If our suspicions are correct, and they are just suspicions, then we are only 2 months into the 70th week.
People assume the two start at the same time (1st seal and 70th week).
But if memory serves me correct, there is no definitive scripture that says they both kick off on the same day. (only speculation)
Rev 6:
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Joel 2:
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
We admit ours is speculation based on world events and the scriptures.
We are just trying to keep open minds and align the two while "watching" and "being alert" like Jesus commanded.
If we are right - we will have seen it coming.
If we are wrong, we will be willing to admit it.
What happens if you are wrong?
I hope pride won't get in the way.
(show me any two scriptures in the bible that says the tribulation is 7 years long....or any two scriptures that say the start of the 70th week is the start of the seal judjments)
(Just make sure the scriptures explicitly state the facts and that they aren't assumed or having theory read into them.)
Jeremiah 30:
6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Don't get me wrong - I have been 7 year pre-trib all my life while I read what others were teaching...but i've been studying alot lately...and when you compare scripture to scripture, and don't read into it...but out of it...it looks alot more like we will be here for at least the first part of the 7 years. It also looks like the start of the 70th week and the start of the Tribulation don't have to line up to fit the scriptures. That's something man just assumes by reading their ideas into the scriptures.
I do admit however, I have alot more studying to do before I can put it down conclusievely in written form for others to share.
Unfortunately, I fear i'm running out of time.
With Love,
BD
(I know - quit talking)
jereome wrote:
Second the 10 Nation confederacy will not be the WEU but it will be a GLOBAL ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT devided under 10 economic regions, all one has to do to see this is to look at the current trends on where the illuminist are taking us.
WhiteH2OWoman wrote:Jerome, you've contradicted yourself. On the one hand, you said:jereome wrote:
Not true, you will know when the time period for the last week has started when the 7 seals are opened.
Then you say:
First off nobody can prove that the Antichrist has stepped on the scene,
If the 1st seal IS the rise and appearance of the Antichrist, then you've said that we will KNOW when that seal is opened, yet you say nobody can prove the AC has stepped on the scene. Which is it, brother?
Bugtussle--from everything I've read, the Jewish calendar "lost" 240 years that have not been added to it, so actually we're in year 6,007...running on fumes and living on borrowed time.
Think of that...6,000 years....6 of the Lord's days...and 7 extra, bountiful gracious years for us to come to Him.
jereome wrote:Im not die hard fan on the belief that the first seal starts the 70th week, in fact Im pretty open in believing that the tribulation will start anywhere from the first to the 7th seal and that believers will be out of here by the trumpet judgements.
But Im not really die hard on that since nothing is fully revealed yet, except for the fact that the Antichrist will confirm a covenant with many for one week and that the Temple sacrifices will probably start with this covenant since he stops the sacrifices 3 1/2 years later. <----- Something that some people that believe we are in the 70th week conveniantly forget.
Brother we are all watching here, just as Jesus commanded so no difference there but why do you assume that someone might be proud because they interpret scripture differently than you?
(show me any two scriptures in the bible that says the tribulation is 7 years long....or any two scriptures that say the start of the 70th week is the start of the seal judjments)
(Just make sure the scriptures explicitly state the facts and that they aren't assumed or having theory read into them.)
Ok thats not that hard considering that the Bible uses other terms for the tribulation, such as day of the Lord, 70th week, Jacob's trouble.Jeremiah 30:
6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
To understand more about Jacob's trouble you have to look at Jacob's life, to find a time where Jacob had trouble for seven years.
That time was when during his wedding night when he was expecting to be given Rachel (Israel) as his wife, but instead took Leah (Church) into his bridal chambers (heaven) and had to labor another 7 years (tribulation) for Rachel.
Actually I dont read anything into scripture and tend to get my knowledge of the Bible from reading it myself instead of listening to what Herb says or Hal Lindsay or anyone else to form my opinion.
My opinion is that the believers will be taken up before God pours out his wrath on the Earth, because God does not punish the righteous with the wicked.
You can see many examples of this in the old testament such as the flood and Sodom / Gamorrah, Jericho etc...
Not true, you will know when the time period for the last week has started when the 7 seals are opened.
and
Nor have we seen Israel turn to God (seventh seal), the two witnesses, the temple being rebuilt or any other sign, that would indicate that we aren in the 70th week.
Im not die hard fan on the belief that the first seal starts the 70th week
davis5454 wrote:Jerome - I hope you don't mean the AOD here....
If you do, I can prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that he wasn't the AOD spoken of by Daniel by using only one scripture. Just please tell me you don't think Antiochus Epiphanes was the AOD!
To summ it up best Antiochus Epiphanes wasnt the AOD but was an AOD.
Its rather simple, Jesus was telling his disciples about a future event with a past event as reference.Mathew 24:
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:Beyond that fact...
Does scripture support the 1st seal being the antichrist? Or is that an assumption?
Yes its an assumption, but one you can easily draw if you believe that Christ's message to his disciples about the end times is an outline for what happens in Revelation.If we use the bible to interpret the bible, can we find the AC listed as wearing white, riding a horse, and conquering anywhere else?
Nope but you can find scripture that points to Satan and his minions transforming themselves as Angels of Light in order to decieve, and Christ said, "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."2 Corrinthians 11:
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
How about Jesus - is there anywhere else in the bible he wears white, comes riding on a horse, conquering? These would have two very different meanings. (show me the scriptures)
Yes you can but at an entirely different section of Revelation.Revelation 19:
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
the term "All your base are belong to us", comes to mind..
rofl...Who is to say that the seals didn't start at Jesus resurrection and take 2000 years to unfold culminating with the next set of judgements (from the 7th seal on) during the last 42 months. (show me the scriptures)
Or conversely, that the seals and other judgements don't all happen within the 42 month period. (show me the scriptures)
These would appear in very different fashions.
All we are saying is don't ASSUME based on what someone else has taught - use the scriptures and try not to read paradigms into them.
Well forgive me these threads are causing me to research and reflect on scripture which is a good thing. Iron sharpening Iron.
But to answer your question you have to ask yourself which book is it that Jesus is opening?
To me the most logical one wouldnt be any of the ones mentioned by name in the Bible such as the Book of life, Lambs book of Life etc.. but it would be the book mentioned in the last chapter of Daniel.Daniel 12
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
Then if this is correct then the seals could not have possibly opened up at Jesus's death since this is something thats clearly reserved for the time of the end.
Also if the opening of the book is reserved for the time of the end, then we clearly arent in the time of the end because for one the book hasnt been opened yet, nor can anyone point to a single seal being opened since that would be required in order to open up the book.
Also from that Chapter I guess you could argue that the tribulation will only be a 3.5 year event but in order to do that you would have to throw out some other end time prophecies such as the 70th week of Daniel, and Jacob's trouble mentioned by Jeremiah.In the mean time....i'll check back tommorow on your answer about the AOD and Antiochus Epiphanes. If you believe he was the AOD, I will give you the scripture you need to prove he's not.
davis5454 wrote:Jerome -
You contradicted yourself again....
In your original post, you said thatNot true, you will know when the time period for the last week has started when the 7 seals are opened.
and
Nor have we seen Israel turn to God (seventh seal), the two witnesses, the temple being rebuilt or any other sign, that would indicate that we aren in the 70th week.
Then in one of your last post you said...Im not die hard fan on the belief that the first seal starts the 70th week
OK - first of all - based on the original post - The death of the two witnesses is around the time of the 2nd woe. Then after the 3rd woe (my assumption here) comes Rev 11:15 "The kingdom of the world has become {the kingdom} of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever."
That would place the 2 witnesses in the last 3 1/2 years according to one interpretation of the events.
So how can you say that you aren't a die hard that the first seal starts the 70th week....then also say that we aren't in the 70th week since we haven't seen a sign during the first 60 days?
Revelation 6:
12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
You also state that this is all based on Solana authoring Rec.666...
It's not the Rec.666 that's the nail everything is hanging on....it's the whole deal...the treaties, the intentions, the giving of land to be in the EU, the working of the AOC, and about 100 other things happening all at the same time and not contradicting scripture. That's why we are watching closely.
Herb will tell you that it's only his belief or best guess....not that he's dogmatic about it.
davis5454 wrote:Jereome -
You assume that the breaking of the 1st seal starts at the 1st day of the 70th week.
If our suspicions are correct, and they are just suspicions, then we are only 2 months into the 70th week.
People assume the two start at the same time (1st seal and 70th week).
But if memory serves me correct, there is no definitive scripture that says they both kick off on the same day. (only speculation)
We admit ours is speculation based on world events and the scriptures.
We are just trying to keep open minds and align the two while "watching" and "being alert" like Jesus commanded.
If we are right - we will have seen it coming.
If we are wrong, we will be willing to admit it.
What happens if you are wrong?
I hope pride won't get in the way.
(show me any two scriptures in the bible that says the tribulation is 7 years long....or any two scriptures that say the start of the 70th week is the start of the seal judjments)
(Just make sure the scriptures explicitly state the facts and that they aren't assumed or having theory read into them.)
Don't get me wrong - I have been 7 year pre-trib all my life while I read what others were teaching...but i've been studying alot lately...and when you compare scripture to scripture, and don't read into it...but out of it...it looks alot more like we will be here for at least the first part of the 7 years. It also looks like the start of the 70th week and the start of the Tribulation don't have to line up to fit the scriptures. That's something man just assumes by reading their ideas into the scriptures.
I do admit however, I have alot more studying to do before I can put it down conclusievely in written form for others to share.
Unfortunately, I fear i'm running out of time.
GotJesus wrote:It is interesting to note as of Late it seems I am constantly being bombarded with messages that it is time to "WAKE UP" and Become much more serious about our walk with the Lord.
Even thou my own Pastors are not talking specifically about "end Times"...there is a sense that it is VERY important to strengthen our church and train up leaders "NOW"
God Can and will use people and churches in different ways.
Many people do not want to accept the message as we may present it, but they are ready to hear what we have to say.
Today it was interesting to hear A visiting pastor explain that it is GOD that will bring someone to Christ...there may be 10 steps that God has planned to soften the heart and mind of that person, so what step do we play?
Are we to take someone who is not even a believer and claim the end of the world is near?
Now I am not saying we can not be bold or truthful about our beliefs, cus we need to be VERY BOLD now...That is the message that is coming from all directions.
It is time to Make Our Stand..
But we make our stand with the weapons Jesus gave us... The best weapon and really the only one we need is the word.
Love People no matter what ...win them with LOVE...
This pastor also say, just love people, eventually they will ask "why are you so kind and loving?"
Cus that is the message my Lord Jesus has given me to bring to you.
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We may see very clearly what is happening, but the ones who are lost do not have a clue... Love them, talk to them, listen to them, help them today!
Sam
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