King Solomon's Temple

[Spreading Salt]

Check this out! There are too many connections between sun worship, satanic secret societies or brotherhoods, and the drive to rebuild the third temple.

In a nutshell, worship of the sun has been raging in the human race since the time of Nimrod. It is still very active and alive today.

Genesis 10:8-10 (New International Version)
8 Cush was the father of Nimrod, who grew to be a mighty warrior on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; that is why it is said, "Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD." 10 The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Erech, Akkad and Calneh, in Shinar.

Here is a great link about sun worship:

(link removed by Abiding - Adventist web site)

Obelisks were placed among the “high places” so that they were the first things the sun hit when it rose in the morning. Remember all these places were brought into Israel’s culture and God was very displeased!

Leviticus 26:30
I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you.

Numbers 33:52
drive out all the inhabitants of the land before you. Destroy all their carved images and their cast idols, and demolish all their high places.

Deuteronomy 12:2
Destroy completely all the places on the high mountains and on the hills and under every spreading tree where the nations you are dispossessing worship their gods.

Deuteronomy 33:29
Blessed are you, O Israel! Who is like you, a people saved by the LORD ? He is your shield and helper and your glorious sword. Your enemies will cower before you, and you will trample down their high places. "

1 Kings 3:2
The people, however, were still sacrificing at the high places, because a temple had not yet been built for the Name of the LORD.

1 Kings 3:3
Solomon showed his love for the LORD by walking according to the statutes of his father David, except that he offered sacrifices and burned incense on the high places.

1 Kings 12:31
Jeroboam built shrines on high places and appointed priests from all sorts of people, even though they were not Levites.

1 Kings 12:32
He instituted a festival on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, like the festival held in Judah, and offered sacrifices on the altar. This he did in Bethel, sacrificing to the calves he had made. And at Bethel he also installed priests at the high places he had made.

1 Kings 13:2
He cried out against the altar by the word of the LORD : "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: 'A son named Josiah will be born to the house of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests of the high places who now make offerings here, and human bones will be burned on you.' "

1 Kings 13:32
For the message he declared by the word of the LORD against the altar in Bethel and against all the shrines on the high places in the towns of Samaria will certainly come true."

The pagan customs of sun worship are rampant in Christianity today thanks to Emperor Constantine, to include the symbol of the cross(intersection of sun orbit), the church steeple (representing high places)the chain of command as it were in the Catholic church, and the black shirt/white collars of the priests to name a few.

Ever heard of Tammuz? He was a descendent of Nimrod and thus considered to be a deity of the sun. Tammuz is mentioned in

Ezekiel 8:14- 16
14 Then he brought me to the entrance to the north gate of the house of the LORD, and I saw women sitting there, mourning for Tammuz. 15 He said to me, "Do you see this, son of man? You will see things that are even more detestable than this."
16 He then brought me into the inner court of the house of the LORD, and there at the entrance to the temple, between the portico and the altar, were about twenty-five men. With their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, they were bowing down to the sun in the east.

Even in God’s temple, they were worshipping the sun!

Ash Wednesday? Originated as a “T” ash mark, for Tammuz. Constantine again!

Regardless of all this, and there is so much more, there is much evil afoot. Secret societies such as the Free Masons are really Satan’s groups of followers. Just so happens that these groups are dedicated to building King Solomon’s Temple.

It’s not the King Solomon of the bible though. It is a play on words.
SOL – OM – ON = The names of the sun in Latin, Indian, and Egyptian.
Here is a very interesting article about this movement, with links to even more info.

(link removed by Abiding - no linking to other forums, Spreading Salt)

According to this article, Javier Solana is attached to the Bilderberg’s. Isn’t that convenient that we are expecting something to happen in a new Jewish temple and so is the “brotherhood”?

It's all coming together.

[milo3]

Wow.

So let me get this straight, the push to allow the temple to be rebuilt will really be a temple for the antichrist , under the disguise that it will be a temple for the Jews. Is this what you are saying.

milo3

[Spreading Salt]

YES!!

[stevesherri]

From the Alliance of Civilizations and current events, you can see a ...... willingness to let 2 radical theistic religions beat each other other up. Christianity is marginalized and Islam is protected until it can ..... strike.
(Reminiscent of how the Nazis were ..... left alone to go berzerk. But anyway. )
This will give justification for ..... whatever religion is left. I'm not sure what that would be ... the Bible says that will be Mystery Babylon.

[dolfseal]

Asherah pole...
You can do a search in the bible for asherah pole and you will get a lot more scripture talking about obelisks.
I have been following this train of thought for two years now and it has opened up a whole new world of what is going on. We get from the Bible that we should not worship false idols or gods, but the sun, moon, and stars are our only directly named objects (Deut 17:2)

If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God in violation of his covenant, 3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky, 4 and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.

I work in a county jail and the court house next to us is made in the design of a winged sun disc (I will try to post a picture later). There is a large Obelisk directly in front of the building. After working here for a few years I find out that a number of the judges are members of the Illuminati. Many of my co-workers are members of the local freemason lodge and I have to work in Satans lair. More to follow.

[User Formerly Known As]

While I would agree that the world appears to be filled with cultish activity all bent on the rise of the NWO (freemasons and bohemians and bilderberg and such), and that fascination with the temple adds into the mix, I'm still not fully convinced that a third temple is going to be built before the return of Christ.

The Bible certainly seems to make it clear that there will be another temple, it is also very spotty on when (in regards to a tribulation timeline, soon before, or soon after) that will happen.

The Bible does seem to say for certain that the Temple Mount will play a vital roll in the end times. Still, that doesn't mean that these cultish clubs will meet their goals.

Excuse me, I'm just thinking out loud.

[Final Trumpet]

If there is no Temple, how can the AC go into it and proclaim himself god? I think the scriptures are pretty clear that it will exist by mid-trib.

[Spreading Salt]

(link removed by Abiding - inappropriate and against board rules) Sorry, SpreadingSalt.

Here is another link to the Javier Solana reference. The one above isn't working.

[User Formerly Known As]

If there is no Temple, how can the AC go into it and proclaim himself god? I think the scriptures are pretty clear that it will exist by mid-trib.

Well, you're referring to the Daniel text, which, according to most, has been fulfilled by Antiochus Ephiphanes.

If it is a doubled focus lense, as some would have it, meaning, that it is fulfilled by two seperate people over the couse of twothousand plus years (believe me, Im not be sarcastic when I say that), and if Christ is referring to this same double lensed event during the famous Oliviat speech, some have translated his words to mean the place of abomination. The place of abomination being the present sight of the Dome of the Rock, which would fit in perfect with a Muslim "convert or die" type of Imam Anti-Christ anyhow.

I'm just speaking out loud here.

Believe me, Im not against a mid-trib temple.

[OBXBob]

Jesus said:

Matthew 24:15: When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand),

2 Thessalonians 2

1. Now we beseech you, brethren, touching the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him;
2. to the end that ye be not quickly shaken from your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by epistle as from us, as that the day of the Lord is just at hand;
3. let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,
4. he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God.

Looks like the ultimate fulfillment is yet to come...

YBIC,

Bob

[denise]

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Aum
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This article is about the mystical syllable. For other uses, see AUM.
"Om" redirects here. For other uses, see Om (disambiguation).

Aum (also Om, Devanagari , Chinese: 唵) is a mystical or sacred syllable in the Dharmic religions. It is placed at the beginning of most Hindu texts as a sacred exclamation to be uttered at the beginning and end of a reading of the Vedas or previously to any prayer or mantra. The Mandukya Upanishad is entirely devoted to the explanation of the syllable.
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Om appears in Vedic Sanskrit as a word of solemn affirmation and respectful assent, sometimes translated by "yes, verily, so be it",[1] comparable to Hebrew amen, and as a particle of auspicious salutation, "hail!". It first appears in the Upanishads as a mystic monosyllable.

With preceding a or ā, the o of om in Sanskrit grammar in sandhi (Sanskrit: संधि, "joining") does not form vriddhi (au) but guna (o) per Pāṇini 6.1.95.

The Sanskrit name for the syllable is praṇava, from a root nu "to shout, sound, praise", verbal pra-nu- being attested as "to make a humming or droning sound" in the Brahmanas, and taking the specific meaning of "to utter the syllable om" in the Chandogya Upanishad and the Shrauta Sutras. More rarely used terms are akṣara or ekākṣara, and in later times omkāra becomes prevalent.

The Aum symbol is a ligature of Devanagari ओ+ँ (oṃ, encoded in Unicode at U+0950 ॐ, the Tibetan script variant ༀ at U+0F00, and the Chinese 唵 at U+5535 or 吽 at U+543D)

The syllable Aum is first described as all-encompassing mystical entity in the Upanishads. Today, in all Hindu art and all over India and Nepal, 'Aum' can be seen virtually everywhere, a standard sign for Hinduism and its philosophy and mythology.

[denise]

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On
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Look up on in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

On is a switching state, contrasted to off; see off.

In addition, "on" or "ON" may mean:

* A song by the artist Aphex Twin; see On (EP).
* An album by Gary Glitter; see ON (album).
* For use in cricket, see leg side.
* "On" means "being" in ancient Greek. The latter concept plays an important role in the history of western philosophy since presocratic times. Ontology is a branch of philosophy that deals with the concept of being (On).
* On is a musical project by Ken Andrews of Failure.
* On is a 2002 album by Imperial Teen.
* On is a transliteration of the Egyptian name of the city of Heliopolis.
* Genesis 41:45 refers to "Poti-phera priest of On," where On may refer to Heliopolis or an Egyptian diety
* On, a Japanese word related to the English "syllable", see Onji
* Ontario (Canadian Province/Territory Code)
* ONdigital, a failed British digital television service.
* Overground Network, a railway scheme in South London.
* ON is also the postnomial abbreviation used by members of the Jamaican Order of the Nation.
* On, a person mentioned in Numbers 16:1.
* Air Nauru (IATA airline designator)
* ON can stand for spontaneous osteonecrosis, resulting from a loss of blood supply to bone tissue.

[denise]

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Heliopolis (ancient)
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Heliopolis (Greek: Ἡλίου πόλις or Ἡλίουπόλις), was one of the most ancient cities of Egypt, and capital of the 13th Lower Egyptian nome. Confusingly, its name also refers (in European languages) to an unrelated modern suburb of Cairo, properly known as مصر الجديدة, Masr al-gidīdah (literally "New Egypt"). The ancient city stood five miles east of the Nile north of the apex of the Delta at عين شمس ˁAyn Šams near the Cairene suburb of al-Maṭariyyah; the modern city of Heliopolis is some distance away. In ancient times it was the principal seat of sun-worship, thus its name, which means town of the sun in Greek.


The city's Egyptian name (shown in hieroglyphs, right,[1] transliterated ỉwnw), is often transcribed as Iunu (literally "[place of] pillars"), and was often written in Greek as Ὂν On, and in biblical Hebrew as אן ˀÔn and און ˀĀwen.
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Heliopolis has been occupied since the Predynastic Period, with extensive building campaigns during the Old and Middle Kingdoms. Today, unfortunately, it is mostly destroyed, its temples and other buildings having been used for the construction of mediæval Cairo; most information about it comes from textual sources.

The chief deity of Heliopolis was the god Atum, who was worshipped in the primary temple, which was known by the names Per-Aat (pr-ˁ3t; "Great House") and Per-Atum (pr-ỉtmw; "Temple [lit. "House"] of Atum"). The city was also the original source of the worship of the Ennead pantheon, although in later times, as Horus gained in prominence, worship focused on the synchronistic solar deity Ra-harakhty (literally Ra, (who is) Horus of the Two Horizons). During the Amarna Period, king Akhenaten introduced monotheistic worship of Aten, the deified solar disc, built here a temple named Wetjes Aten (wṯs ỉtn "Elevating the Sun-disc"). Blocks from this temple were later used to build the city walls of mediaeval Cairo and can be seen in some of the city gates. The cult of the Mnevis bull, an embodiment of the god Ra, was worshipped here, and possessed a formal burial ground north of the city.

As the capital of Egypt for a period of time, grain was stored in Heliopolis for the winter months, when many people would descend on the town to be fed, leading to it gaining the title place of bread. The Book of the Dead goes further and describes how Heliopolis was the place of multiplying bread, recounting a myth in which Horus feeds the masses there with only 7 loaves.[citation needed]

[denise]

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Atum
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This article is about Atum, the Egyptian deity. For the Yu-Gi-Oh character, see Yugi Mutou.

Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an early deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the Ennead of Heliopolis. Originally associated with the earth, Atum gradually became considered to be the sun, as it passes the horizon. The separateness of the two instances per day that this occurs, led to the aspect of Atum that was young, namely the rising sun, becoming considered a separate god, named Nefertum (literally meaning young Atum), and consequently Atum became mainly understood as the setting sun.

In the Ennead cosmogony, he was considered to be the first god, having arisen by his own force himself, sitting on a mound (benben), from the primordial waters (Nu). Early myths state that Atum created the god Shu and goddess Tefnut from his semen by *********** in the city of Annu (the Egyptian name for Heliopolis)[1], a belief strongly associated with Atum's nature as an hermaphrodite (his name meaning completeness). Strictly, the myth states that Atum ejaculated his Semen into his mouth, impregnating himself, possibly indicating autofellatio, which has lead many to misinterpret (euphemistically) the myth as indicating creation from mucus.

Later belief held that Shu and Tefnut were created by Atum having sex with his shadow, which was referred to as Iusaaset (also spelt Juesaes, Ausaas, Iusas, and Jusas, and in Greek as Saosis), meaning (the) great

(one who) comes forth. Consequently, Iusaaset was seen as the mother and grandmother of the gods. The strength, hardiness, medical properties, and edibility, lead the acacia tree to be considered the tree of life, and thus the oldest, which was situated close to, and north of, Heliopolis, was said to be the birthplace of the gods. Thus, as the mother, and grandmother, of the gods, Iusaaset was said to own this tree.

In art, Atum was always considered as a man, enthroned, or sometimes standing, and depicted wearing both the crown of Upper Egypt, and that of Lower Egypt. In his later form as the setting sun, as opposed to Nefertum, Atum was depicted in the same manner but as an aged man. However, it was sometimes said that Atum was originally a serpent, a form to which he was said to be destined to return when the world ends, only changing into a human during its existence.

In later years, the Ennead mythos, and an alternative mythos, that of the Ogdoad, merged, and since Ra, from the Ogdoad, was also the creator (in that system), and a solar deity, their two identities merged, into Atum-Ra. But as Ra was the whole sun, and Atum just the sun when it sets, it was Atum who was thought of as an aspect of Ra, and eventually subsumed into him. When this happened, his shadow, Iusaaset, was described as Rat, which is simply the feminine form of Ra. As both the cosmogony associated with Ra and that of Atum said that the origin of each was the primordial waters, when, in later years, Neith came to embody these waters, Iusaaset became considered an aspect of Neith rather than Atum-Ra. Atum was represented as scarab.

At one point Egyptians believed that Atum lifted the dead king's soul from his pyramid to the starry heavens.[2]

[Mttw633]

That's mentioned in Isaiah- Heliopolis-which means 'sun' which in the hebrew is almost identical to 'destruction' Is 19:18

[Spreading Salt]

SUN WORSHIP ORIGINATED IN BABYLON

Babylon = sun worship. Sun worship originated in Babylon.

Revelation 17 calls the last "harlot" church, Babylon.

Now let's look at some history and open our eyes and see what is happening in our world today.

After Noah and his family left the ark, Satan wasted no time in reestablishing the counterfeit — called Babylon. This counterfeit was brought into prominence and promoted by Nimrod, who was the founder of the empire known as Babylon, and by his queen, Semiramis.

Nimrod, (grandson of Ham, and great grandson of Noah) was, as the Bible tells us in Genesis 10:8-10, was a mighty hunter before the Lord. Actually the Hebrew reading of this text points out that Nimrod was a mighty hunter in the place of the Lord. (The linguistic word "before" is more like in the context of have no other gods before me.)
Also consider the meaning of the name Nimrod. It comes from the Hebrew verb marad, meaning "rebel", or "we will revolt." Some Biblical Historians think Nimrod could well be the vile and powerful Gilgamesh in the ancient Gilgamesh Epic. Gilgamesh sets out to hunt for, and kill the God who sent the flood! In the Epic Gilgamesh claims to have killed "Huwawa", the sender of the great flood. Gilgamesh seeks the aid of Shamash, the sun god, who hates the terrible one who sent the flood.

Nimrod established the first post-flood empire. Nimrod allowed his followers to hail him as a god! At his death it was proclaimed that their "god" Nimrod was exalted to his rightful domain. He was now the sun god, who would ensure his people with warmth, light and abundant crops. He would send down his blessings upon them.

Semiranmis, queen of Babylon, after her husband's death, was found to be with child. It was declared that this child was the product of divine conception. Nimrod, the sun god was the father via a special ray of the sun. Semiramis named her son Damu which later Babylonian language became Dammuzi. In the Bible it is rendered "Tammuz". Of course any son with such a claim to his conception was deified. Semiramis also deified herself as the mother of god (since only a god can beget a god) and installed herself as "The Queen of Heaven" pictured in the constellation Cassiopeia.

The story was invented that she was a virgin sprung from the sea, and therefore a gift from the gods. Her name was later hellenized to "Sammur-amat" or "gift of the sea." Most goddess worship as well as sun worship can be traced right back to Samiranmis.

This one woman had such a lasting impact upon world history that the land from which civilization arose, (lower Mesopotamia) was known as the "Land of Sammur" or when translated into Hebrew becomes "the land of Shinar".

Genesis 10:9-10
"Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, in the land of Shinar."

Later, Daniel tells us that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came to Jerusalem, and besieged it and carried the people as well as the vessels of the house of God: into the land of Shinar to the house of his god. (Dan.1:2)

KEY TO GETTING PEOPLE AWAY FROM WORSHIPING THE CREATOR

We see all through Biblical history that one of the key elements in weaning a loyal people away from their loyalties to the true God is by infiltration. Sun worship first infiltrated Israel, it became mixed with their true worship, until finally they were carried away into midst of Babylon itself.

Look at the story of Balaam:
The devil knows that as long as God's people are in harmony with God he cannot touch them.

So just like in the days of Israel, when they stood on the banks of the Jordan when Balaam came to try and curse them, he could but bless them, for he was powerless to do evil unto them while they were in God's protection.

Balaam knew why he couldn't curse them:
Numbers 23.21
"God has not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither has he seen perverseness in Israel: the LORD God is with them... there is no enchantment that will work against them."

However, a plan was then devised. If the Israelites could be induced to rebel against God's laws, they would lose God's protection and would be destroyed. Crafty false prophet Balaam who once was a true prophet initiated the plan.(Numbers 31:16) Sending heathen women to infiltrate the camp. Friendly, non threatening, they infiltrated, bringing with them their sensual arts and luring them away into idolatry.

Numbers 25:2,3 "They called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel."

Thousands died, and had not Israel repented they would not have entered Canaan at all. The craft of the false prophet -- is to get people to disregard God's laws!

The craft of the false teachers is to get people to believe that God's law is no longer important so that they cannot discern sin. Then they will be easy to catch in the net of disobedience and bond with the chains of sin as they push aside the voice of the Holy Spirit calling them to repentance. For they think they need no repentance. Thus they are lead into the pit of rejecting the Holy spirit -- a bit from which there is no escape.

The craft of the false teachers is to go out to deceive the whole world and gather them together to fight against God's government. They can't reach God so they fight against those who walk in harmony with God's laws. Ridiculing and belittling, mocking and intimidating. . For Revelation already tells us that all who will not bow to the false religion will be slated for death.

These are the false teachers and the false prophets.

Note well where disregard to God's commandments leads. It leads to the worship of other gods. Revelation 13:3,4 I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

THE FALSE PROPHETS WOULD LEAD US STRAIGHT INTO SUN WORSHIP--

The third angel's message cries with a loud voice to return to the worship of the Creator God, who made the heaven's and the earth and the sea. Why would the last warning message focus on this aspect of God? Why the emphasis on His Creative power? Could it be because sun worship, has invaded Christianity in a clever disguise and usurped the true worship of God the Creator.

For in six days God created the heavens and the earth and rested upon the seventh day and blessed and sanctified it. Remember the Sabbath day!

Sun day - is the venerable day of the sun.

The edict of Constantine, in A.D. 321, was NOT the first time the week of seven day week with it's recurring day of the Sun recognized. Two hundred years earlier we already see a Christian teacher trying to impress a Roman emperor by telling him Christians worship on the "day of the sun".

Justin Martyr writes a letter pleading for justice for the Christian during a time when the Jews had just suffered a second terrible overthrow. (approx. 130 A.D.)

To the Emperor Titus Ælius Adrianus Antoninus Pius Augustus Caesar, and to his son Verissimus the Philosopher, and to Lucius the Philosopher, the natural son of Caesar, and the adopted son of Pius, a lover of learning, and to the sacred Senate...
Now notice how he changes scripture when speaking of Christ to the Emperor:

Psalms 19:1,5-6
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
Justin's paraphase
concerning those who published His doctrine and proclaimed His appearance
Their voice has gone out into all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world. In the sun hath He set His tabernacle, and he as a bridegroom going out of his chamber shall rejoice as a giant to run his course."



Justin's version would ring a corresponding note in the emperor's understanding.

Then he continues in section LXVII of his Apology:

And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read,
What Justin Martyr is saying here is that the Christians were coming together upon the day of the sun. A very significant fact! Why didn't Justin call it the "1st day"? How could Justin be writing to the Roman emperor about a day called THE DAY OF THE SUN, if there was no such thing.
Indeed, there was a DAY OF THE SUN!
The Pagan Mithra Cult rose in the Roman Empire at the same time as Christianity moved forth. This cult was in many ways a counterfeit of Christianity!

There were many Mithraic temples in the Roman empire, probably a couple thousand. The greatest concentrations have been found, interestingly enough, in the city of Rome itself, the home of the emperors! They were also located from England all the way to Palestine.

What does this religion have to do with our study on sunworship in the church?
Could it be that Satan raised a counterfeit to confound Christianity? A pagan counterfeit, focused on the ages long revered sun god, yet revampt in many ways that resembled Christianity. This counterfeit (along with many other practices and cultural beliefs) became intermingled with Christianity.

According to the recent scholars the tauroctony (the main symbol of the Mithraic religion where Mithra is slaying the bull) is an astronomical star map! The zodiac-- which shows that this counterfit is an astrology based religion. (Just like Babylon)

The understanding of Greco-Roman astronomy at the time of the Mithraic mysteries swept through the empire, was based on a so-called "geocentric" cosmology. They understood the earth to be fixed and immovable at the center of the universe and everything went around it. As the cosmos rotated around the earth it was believed to carry the sun along with it, resulting in the apparent movement of the sun around the earth once a day.

They also believed that the sun moved on a second journey, beyond its daily rotation with the cosmic sphere: and made a yearly journey around the circle of the "zodiac." They also believed in a cosmic or celestial equator emanating out from the earth‘s equator. From this they even got a symbol of the cross representing the intersection of the two celestial circles of the zodiac and the celestial equator. This cross-shaped symbol is found often in that cult.

In Mithraic iconography Mithras and the sun god are pictured as separate beings, however in Mithraic writings Mithras is often identified with the sun by being called "sol invictus," the "unconquered sun." Thus it seems that the Mithraists somehow believed in the existence of two suns: one represented by the figure of the sun god, and the other by Mithras himself as the "unconquered sun."

Thus Mithria was the "hypercosmic sun," god.

Where does this concept of hyper cosmic sun god come from? The Chaldaean Oracles
Chaldaean Oracles were a grand mixture of Platonic thought, from Platonizing thinkers ranging from Philo to Numenius. Probably the Chaldaean concept of a hypercosmic sun comes from the solar allegories of Plato's Republic, in which the sun is used as a symbol for the highest of Plato's Ideal Forms, that of the Good. In Book VI of the Republic (508Aff.) Plato compares the sun to the Good, saying that as the sun is the source of all illumination and understanding in the visible world (the horatos topos), the Good is the supreme source of being and understanding in the world of the forms (the noetos topos or "intelligible world").

So basically--
which "christ" is being worshipped today?
The cosmic christ-- (who is very much part of the new age)
Or the REAL CHRIST, JESUS.

The similarities of Mithras and Christianity are astounding.

One of which was this religion held Sunday as their special day.


The meetings took place in caves, and crypts built to resemble caves, decorated with pictures of Mithra slaying the bull. The weekly holy day, naturally, was Sunday and, equally naturally, the Equinoxes were regarded as a sacred season, and the date of Mithra's birth, placed at the winter solstice -- December 25. A History of the Church by Philip Hughes
A fire was kept perpetually burning in the sanctuary. Three times a day prayer was offered the sun toward the east, south, or west according to the hour. Sunday was kept holy in honour of Mithra, and the sixteenth of each month was sacred to him as mediator. The 25 December was observed as his birthday, the natalis invicti, the rebirth of the winter-sun, unconquered by the rigours of the season. Catholic Encyclopedia

Like the Christians, they purified themselves by baptism; received, by a species of confirmation, the power necessary to combat the spirits of evil; and expected from a Lord's Supper salvation of body and soul. Like the latter, they also held Sunday sacred, and celebrated the birth of the Sun on the 25th of December, the same day on which Christmas has been celebrated, since the fourth century at least. Sacred Texts

"The Hebrew Sabbath having been abolished by Christians, the church made sacred the Sunday, partly because it was the day of the resurrection. But when we observe a little further we find that Sunday as a solar festival was the sacred day of Mithra. It is also interesting to notice that since Mithra is address as Lord, Sunday must have been the Lord's day long before the Christian use. It is also to be noticed that our Christmas, December 25, was the birthdate of Mithra, and was only taken over in the fourth century as the date, actually unknown of the birth of Christ. (Stanford Studies) Stanford Studies pdf file

The struggle between the two rival religions was the more stubborn as their characters were the more alike. The adepts of both formed secret conventicles, closely united, the members of which gave themselves the name of "Brothers." 6 The rites which they practised offered numerous analogies. The sectaries of the Persian god, like the Christians, purified themselves by baptism; received, by a species of confirmation, the power necessary to combat the spirits of evil; and expected from a Lord's Supper salvation of body and soul. Like the latter, they also held Sunday sacred, and celebrated the birth of the Sun on the 25th of December, the same day on which Christmas has been celebrated.. Historian Franz Cumont


The pagan religion which began to sweep through the Roman world at the same time as Christianity and was at it's height in Rome during Constantine's time did indeed hold Sunday as special DAY to honor the Sun.
However, the question is still--
did this influence the Christians in Rome


Just read Constantine's Sunday law.

"Let all judges and townspeople and occupations of all trades rest on the VENERABLE DAY OF THE SUN. . .March 7,321

Constantine was not really a Christian. At this very same time he was embellishing the Temple of the Sun in Rome. He was a sun-worshiper. The very next day after giving the Sunday law of March 7,321, quoted from above, Constantine enacted another law giving pagan soothsayers acceptance.

Of course he also enacted the Edict of Milan, by which Christianity was given legal rights.

We are told that the bishop of Rome counseled with Constantine and advised him of the best course to take in order to win everyone into a single imperial church.

Remember that Mithraism was strong in Rome at this time-- Mithraism is the worship of the sun. The Romans gave him a new name -- Sol Invictus, which means "the Invincible Sun".

Mithraism imitated the worship of Christ in several ways: It had a dying, rising savior god, whose birth and resurrection was celebrated every year. Where do you think Christmas came from, it's the rebirth of the sun -- as the days begin to get longer about Dec. 25. They had special religious suppers, or communion services, when the believers partook of their god. They even had to be baptize -- albeit they stood under a slaughtered bull and were baptized by blood. And it had one day in the week for celebration -- Sunday -- the Day of the Sun.

Hmmm -- where did this concept of celebration instead of worshiping come from?
As we continue in this study and see how sun worship invaded the church and thought to change God's laws to adapt Christianity to the pagan mindset, we need to remember what Revelation tells us about the last days.


The issue in the last days will be over true and false worship:
Rev. 13:4 So they WORSHIPED the dragon (Satan) who gave authority to the beast, and they WORSHIPED the beast...
Rev. 13:8 And All who dwell on the earth will WORSHIP him, whose names are not written in the Book of Life...
Rev. 13:12 He causes the earth and those who dwell in it to WORSHIP the first beast,. . .
Rev. 13:15 As many as would not WORSHIP the image of the beast should be killed. . .
The angel cries with a loud voice:
Rev. 14:7 WORSHIP Him who made heaven and earth. . .
Rev. 14:9 If anyone WORSHIPS the beast and his image. . .he shall drink of the wrath of God. .

If you'd like the link, please PM me.

[Spreading Salt]

Here is a link to a great document about Free Masons and such:

http://bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.htm

It's 73 pages long and repeats itself often, but is very interesting reading.

[Final Trumpet]

Makes the name SOL-ana take on more signifigance...

[Passion]

Here is a link to a great document about Free Masons and such:

http://bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.htm

It's 73 pages long and repeats itself often, but is very interesting reading.

All this talk of Masonry reminds me.....a month or so ago, on the "Oprah/Secret of Life" thread, there was some talk re. Masons, and I mentioned a book written by a former 32 degree Mason that I had ordered from Chick Publications. Someone had asked that I post something re. the book after I'd read it.

It's called "Masonry, Beyond the Light" and it's by William Schnoebelen. Well, I read it, and it was good! My Dad is a 33rd degree Mason, Shriner; into Eastern Star (as is Mom, to some extent) and Scottish Rite, as well as involved in DeMolay and Rainbow. Sheesh. This book really hit home, as I could see my Dad in so many of the things the author describes.....how Masonry etc., begins to eat up more and more of the Mason's time, until he spends way more time and effort involved in Masonry, and working hard for them, than with his family or doing things at home that need to be done. The hours and hours he spends in memory work--with less and less time (if he's a Christian)--or no time--spent in reading the Bible or memorizing Bible verses. From my early teenage years right up until today, I've heard my Mom get disgusted and say time and time again, "He can work his butt off day after day for those ****** Masons, but doesn't fix anything around here or do anything that needs to be done!"

The things I liked most about the book was, one, it was written by someone who actually was a high-degree Mason; not some well-meaning, yet unknowledgable Christian guy writing from heresay and coming off sounding a bit foaming-at-the-mouth hysterical, rather than cogeant and well-informed. Second, I like the fact that he provided a bibliography, so most of what he claims can be double-checked. So much of the anti-Masonry stuff I've read don't have this, in addition to the author going by heresay; therefore I just sort of took everything they said with a grain of salt (no pun intended, Spreading Salt! ). He was also more fair than some of the other ill-informed authors, in that he doesn't automatically point the finger at every single Mason out there and scream "Satanist! Devil-Worshipper!". He aknowledges that many men (and women, re. E. Star) join these groups thinking that they are "Christian" organizations (I know I was brought up thinking that!); in fact, these organizations have worked very hard to convice the world that they are "Christian", or at the very least, "Godly". In fact, he says, the York Rite is the "Christian" equivalent to the Scottish Rite--if a man is perceived by his higher-ranking brother Masons to be a Christian, he will be directed toward the York Rite rather than Scottish Rite (my Dad ended up in Scottish Rite--gosh, what that say? ) He cites references where the "greatest Mason of the 20th century", (no, maybe it was the 19th), Albert Pike, had said that the lower-level Masons were deliberately deceived by those in the higher eschelons of Masonry, and deservedly so. Nice. Nevertheless, even if they start out as Christians, they end up unknowingly taking oaths to Satan and, at the very best, wind up trying to serve two masters. At the worst.....

About the worst thing I can say about the book-- that I can remember right off the top of my head, anyway--is that, like someone mentioned earlier re. an author, he does tend to repeat himself, and the editor could have been a bit more on top of things. Also, one thing I could never figure out--the author claims that the Masonic compass and square are actually pagan fertility phallic symbols, and even explains how--maybe I'm dense, but I've looked at them every which way, and for the life of me I can't see anything pornographic there, and his explanation made no sense to me! But maybe if some of you get the book and read it, you'll "get it" better than I.

Oh well. There is so much more......there's no way I can go into everything he talks about. Just read it yourself, and I can promise you, if you didn't know much about Masonry, you will be shocked! I must admit, that if I had any doubts before that these organizations are steeped in evil.....I don't anymore. Here's the link if you're interested:

http://www.chick.com/default.asp

BTW, in case you're wondering how Mr. Schnoebelen became a Christian, then got out of Masonry--someone prayed for him. Ah, the power of prayer. Look out, Mom and Dad!

[Spreading Salt]

This excerpt is taken from the bible probe link about the Masons:

The 007 was the insignia number that Elizabeth was to use for private communiques between her Court and Dee. Dee signed his letters with two circles (zeros) and a seven: “007". Dee was the man whom Ian Fleming modeled his 007 James Bond character.

TUBAL CAIN: Lamech was Cain’s fifth son. Lamech in turn had three sons: Jabal, Jubal, Tubalcain. Tubal Cain refers to blacksmiths from antiquity and the original Tubal Cain supposedly worked with bronze and iron in the far distant past.

If we simply rotate Dee’s 007 signature 90 degrees. It then looks like two balls and a club or a cane. The interesting thing about this is that there is a resemblance to the masonic symbol "Two Ball Cane". “Two Ball Cane" is allegedly a pun for “Tubal Cain" which is the secret password of a third degree mason, a "master mason".

Listen to what occultist and Mason, Manly Palmer Hall, has to say:

"The day has come when Fellow Craftsman must know and apply their knowledge. The lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion , which places the energy of the universe at their disposal. Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mastery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a ploughshare." [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff , Forward by Reynold E. Blight, 33rd Degree, K.T., Illustrations by J. Augustus Knapp, 32nd Degree, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, p. 48]

There is also a sexual connotation associated with Vulcan and Tubal Cain. Former Mason, Bill Schnoebelen, explains:

"For Masons who wish to conceal their membership from non-Masons, but still advertise it to their Lodge brothers, there is a special pin (or tie tack) they can wear. It looks like an upside down golf club with two balls near the top....Many people assume the person is a golfing enthusiast, but it is actually a visual Masonic pun.

"This is called the 'Two Ball Cane,' and is a pun on the secret password of a Master Mason, 'Tubalcain (sic).'...It is also an all-too-obvious pun on the 'god' of Masonry, the male reproductive organ. Nice, eh?...especially when many men wear these wretched things to church on Sunday!"

I can't seem to get the pictures to copy over but they are in the article on page 63. http://bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.htm

[Passion]

Oh that's right! Now I remember reading that in "Masonry, Beyond the Light"! The author of that book is Bill (or William) Schnoebelen, the one you referenced in your post. Now that I remember having read that, I totally get the "Tubalcain, Two Ball Cain" thing (how Jr. High-ish can you get? Sounds like 8th grade boys locker-room humor to me!), but I still don't see how the compass and square look pornographic, as he claims. Maybe I'm more naive than I thought--or just don't have any imagination!