The Harlot & The Statue of Liberty & Freemasonary

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The Harlot & The Statue of Liberty & Freemasonary

Postby Neurobod on Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:58 pm

The Statue of Liberty<br>
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The Statue of Liberty is based on The Roman Goddess Libertas, the Roman goddess of freedom. Originally as goddess of personal freedom, she later became the goddess of the Roman commonwealth. Greek equivalent: Ishtar is the Akkadian counterpart to the Sumerian Inanna and to the cognate northwest Semitic goddess `Ashtart. Anunit, Astarte and Atarsamain,The goddess of fertility and sexuality. On monuments and seal-cylinders Inanna/Ishtar appears frequently with bow and arrow, though also simply clad in long robes with a crown on her head and an eight-rayed star as her symbol!!<br>
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Freemasons, Humanism & the Statue of Liberty<br>
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One of the many proofs of Freemasonry's cult of liberty, and<br>
furthermore of its deep influence upon our culture and mentality, is the Statue of Liberty. This colossus in New York's harbor was conceived by a Freemason (Frederic-Auguste Bartholdi), financed by Freemasons, built by Freemasons, and installed by Freemasons in a <br>
Freemasonic ceremony. The political and social goal of Freemasonry was and still is to "free" man from the "tyranny" of the Catholic Church and from any civil authority which does not claim to be democratic. By definition, a church or a regime is tyrannical for the Freemason if it seeks to make dogmas or to rule without the consent of the governed. <br>
Freemasonry has a hatred for any power, ecclesiastical or civil, which claims its authority from God, and which is not somehow dependent upon the people for its power. Freemasonry seeks to "free" people politically and socially from such "bonds," so that they might enjoy the "liberty" of a democratic regime.<br>
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The Harlot & The Statue of Liberty<br>
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America has to accept its role along with spreading freedom & democracy, a less noble role in spreading fornication, luxuries, riches, excesses & waste around the world. And it has to accept that along with producing the greatest evangelist the world has ever known (Billy Graham) it has also produced the most blaspehemous and licentious TV evangelists which have brought the Church into disrepute. David Wilkerson first sugeested that The Harlot Babylon might be New York or even the US as a whole about 10 years ago..if he is right, what a terrible Judgement may be comming. May the church be delivered from this if it is true. I have quoted revelation chapter 17 & 18 (slightly abridged..please read the full version in your bible). The parrallels are worrying.<br>
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Rev 17:1 .......I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: <br>
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Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. <br>
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Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. <br>
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Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: <br>
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Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. <br>
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Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth (alusion to Rome built on seven hills..hence revived rRoman Empre..fits with Nebuchadnezzar's Vision in Daniel ...the 10 toes of part clay & part Iron)<br>
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............ Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. <br>
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Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. <br>
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........ Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. <br>
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Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. <br>
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Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. <br>
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Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth (? New York) <br>
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Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. <br>
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Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. <br>
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Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. <br>
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Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. <br>
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Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. <br>
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Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. <br>
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Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her. <br>
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Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, <br>
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Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. <br>
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Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: <br>
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Rev 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, <br>
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Rev 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. <br>
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Rev 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. <br>
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Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, <br>
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Rev 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! <br>
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Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, <br>
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Rev 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What [city is] like unto this great city! <br>
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Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. <br>
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Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, [thou] heaven, and [ye] holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. <br>
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Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. <br>
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Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft [he be], shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; <br>
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Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. <br>
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Angela Knowit <p></p><i></i>
Neurobod
 

Re: The Harlot & The Statue of Liberty & Freemasonar

Postby mabell28 on Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:17 am

The United States has represented freedom...as an institution of government....the best ever created until Jesus reigns....period...bar none.<br>
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As for the United States being the cause of a whole lot of sin...yep....that's what happen's when people are free to choose.<br>
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However, look where people are not free to choose....they will be forced to worship..or not to worship...etc..<br>
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You can't go to a third world country without fear of your life today due to thieving and disease that isn't found as rampant in the US.<br>
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Frankly I am sick of hearing how the US is the "devil's den" when we are the first country that practiced the closest thing to freedom the world has ever seen.<br>
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That being said, we are losing our freedom to choose....and maybe that is why God's wrath will fall on us...because people just don't care that free will is required for salvation.<br>
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mabell28 <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Harlot & The Statue of Liberty & Freemasonar

Postby Sword of Geddon on Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:10 am

God does not care about freedom Mabel, he cares about salvation. And the US is the devil's den. There is no freedom but freedom in Christ. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Harlot & The Statue of Liberty & Freemasonar

Postby Taskmaster on Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:44 am

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The Earth is the devil's den at this point in time thanks to Adam and Eve. The US is hardly to be singled-out for this distinction. Look at the sin that occurs openly in Europe. <br>
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In America, where we are blessed because God blesses the righteous for 1000 generations, and because we support Israel (for how much longer), at least there is a remnant of folks who still love the truth and seek the truth.<br>
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I am thankful every day that God chose to let me be born in the USA. One country to the north or the south and my life would be totally different.<br>
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Re: The Harlot & The Statue of Liberty & Freemasonar

Postby blessedayers on Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:30 am

Hello Angela Knowit <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hugs --><img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_2_104.gif ALT=":hugs"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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We here...dont deal in conspiracy types theories...and the free mason stuff while interesting....is conspiracist.<br>
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We prefer to spend our time here with facts....easily provable facts. Facts that are uncontestable. If we dont have those facts....we dont deal in it. From the horses mouth...or it is hersay.<br>
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Just being a Christian in and of itself is enough to get the world mocking us....why add something like conspiracy and hearsay to the plate?<br>
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Isa 8:12 'Say ye not: A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people do say: A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor account it dreadful. <br>
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See....we know the world will hate us ...and conspire against us. The scrtiptures tell us so...over and over again. <br>
No big surprise. <br>
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And in all honesty....we run the risk of attributing to man...something God Himself is doing. Kinda like if the Lord blesses us and we chalk it up to luck....<br>
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We are to praise the Lord in <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>ALL</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> things....what we know as good...and especially in what we percieve as bad.<br>
Often I have found that what I consider a curse....was in reality a blessing somehow.<br>
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God is still on the throne.....and no weapon formed against us ...His children.... will prevail.<br>
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Isa 54:15-17 <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Behold, they may gather together, but not by Me; whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall because of thee. <br>
Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the fire of coals, and bringeth forth a weapon for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. <br>
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their due reward from Me, saith the LORD.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>
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As for mystery Babylon....there are many opinions floating around out there.<br>
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But in order for us to have a complete understanding of who mystery babylon is....the Lord Himself will have to reveal it.<br>
And when that happens...we will know beyond a shadow of a doubt....till then...it is conjecture and heresay.<br>
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And yes even though america's churches have become a spiritual harlot....that doesnt necesaarily make her mystery babylon.<br>
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Babylon....babble...confusion....reigns globaly.<br>
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It really is a toss up between Israel , America ,the vatican and we can add universalism as personified in what many see going on at the UN ....to the plate as well.<br>
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And even if america is more than just another harlot....and turns out to be mystery babylon.....those who live here....that are saved by grace through faith.....have nothing to worry about.<br>
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See Psalms 91 <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :sunshine --><img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_203.gif ALT=":sunshine"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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<!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:teal;">"Seek ye out of the book of the LORD,and read: no one of these shall fail...Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things old and new...Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.” Isa.34:16a, Matt.13:52, 2Tim 4:2<br>
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"A man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth; this has been exactly reversed."<br>
John R. W. Stott <br>
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Pro 21:28 A false witness shall perish; but the man that obeyeth shall speak unchallenged. <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;">Jody ***Psalms 119***</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> </p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p203.ezboard.com/bherbsdiscussionboard.showUserPublicProfile?gid=blessedayers>blessedayers</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.stpauls-medina.org/spiritusgladius.gif" BORDER=0> at: 7/27/05 7:31 am<br></i>
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Satue of Liberty etc

Postby Neurobod on Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:10 am

Hi Mabell, Blessdayers & Taskmaster<br>
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Firstly, I am a US and American lover and as a fellow human being not tin the business of critizing which is why I tried to balance the negatives with the positives in my posting. I would not dare to judge the US. At the end of the day I am a European and as such living in the increasingly humanist and anti-God European beast for which much greater judgement is reserved than for the Harlot whowever she indeed maybe!<br>
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I just happen to think that the statue of liberty as well as symbolising American freedom, has some uncanny connections with Harlotery & with freemasonary (not conspiracy: well-established fact). Sure you can develop conspiracy theories around the freemasonary connection but I am not doing that. <br>
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Also, is there a city in the world today that better fits the description in Revelation 18?.........name me a more decadent city with more luxuries & excesses which has greater trade with the sea faring merchants of the world and which has influenced world Kings more.<br>
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I do believe freedom is a good export from the US, but that freedom has led to failings as has been pointed out. <br>
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Blessdayers & Task Master don't upset may America may be judged. "No one is good but God alone" and by inference no nation is good, but only God's Kingdom. We willl all be judged, individually and as Nations and we must accept that. Just as a person must not stand in his or her own righteousness, so we as citizens should not stand too firmly & defensively on the "righteousness of our Nation". That applies to us Brits just as much.<br>
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Angela<br>
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Neurobod
 

Re: Satue of Liberty etc

Postby blessedayers on Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:30 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Blessdayers & Task Master don't upset may America may be judged. "No one is good but God alone" and by inference no nation is good, but only God's Kingdom.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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I agree and am not upset....The Lords will be done.<br>
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I personally think we are in the midst of judgement against us.<br>
We profane the name of God daily all over the world just on our religious television alone.<br>
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Add that to what we are doing in Israel.....compound that with what we consider good and evil now...which as prophesied is exactly reversed.<br>
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And yeah....we got it coming big time.<br>
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Praise God He is mercyful and will righteously judge us.<br>
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And He will protect His own during these times....not cuase they are so righteous....but cause others are so unrighteous.<br>
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And in the midst of unrighteousness and wickedness and <br>
pure-dee ol evil.....<br>
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His own will shine brightly....like a beacon on a hill and that brings the Glory back to where it rightfully belongs....<br>
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Him<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :praise --><img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_13_22.gif ALT=":praise"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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<!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:teal;">"Seek ye out of the book of the LORD,and read: no one of these shall fail...Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things old and new...Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.” Isa.34:16a, Matt.13:52, 2Tim 4:2<br>
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"A man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth; this has been exactly reversed."<br>
John R. W. Stott <br>
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Pro 21:28 A false witness shall perish; but the man that obeyeth shall speak unchallenged. <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;">Jody ***Psalms 119***</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> </p><i></i>
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Re: Satue of Liberty etc

Postby blessedayers on Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:33 am

Dan 11:32 <br>
And such as do wickedly against the covenant <br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>shall he corrupt by flatteries</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->: <br>
but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.<br>
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Dan 11:33 <br>
And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: <br>
yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.<br>
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Dan 11:34 <br>
Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: <br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>
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Dan 11:35 <br>
And some of them of understanding shall fall, <br>
to try them, <br>
and to purge, <br>
and to make them white, <br>
even to the time of the end: <br>
because it is yet for a time appointed.<br>
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<!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:teal;">"Seek ye out of the book of the LORD,and read: no one of these shall fail...Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things old and new...Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.” Isa.34:16a, Matt.13:52, 2Tim 4:2<br>
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"A man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth; this has been exactly reversed."<br>
John R. W. Stott <br>
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Pro 21:28 A false witness shall perish; but the man that obeyeth shall speak unchallenged. <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;">Jody ***Psalms 119***</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> </p><i></i>
blessedayers
 

Statue of Liberty etc

Postby Neurobod on Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:33 am

Jody<br>
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Forgive my bad grammer<br>
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and your point is..........????<br>
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Angela <p></p><i></i>
Neurobod
 

Re: Statue of Liberty etc

Postby blessedayers on Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:40 am

In reference to daniel?<br>
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Well it was to show the difference between those whom are doing the will of God and those who arent.<br>
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Those who are will bring glory to the Lords name....it has been written <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :sunshine --><img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_203.gif ALT=":sunshine"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
<!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:teal;">"Seek ye out of the book of the LORD,and read: no one of these shall fail...Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things old and new...Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.” Isa.34:16a, Matt.13:52, 2Tim 4:2<br>
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"A man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth; this has been exactly reversed."<br>
John R. W. Stott <br>
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Pro 21:28 A false witness shall perish; but the man that obeyeth shall speak unchallenged. <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;">Jody ***Psalms 119***</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> </p><i></i>
blessedayers
 

Re: The Harlot & The Statue of Liberty & Freemasonar

Postby QuietLtlMe on Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:39 am

Angela - Welcome.<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Also, is there a city in the world today that better fits the description in Revelation 18?.........name me a more decadent city with more luxuries & excesses which has greater trade with the sea faring merchants of the world and which has influenced world Kings more.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>YES there are more decadent cities</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> with more luxuries & excesses which has greater trade with the sea faring merchants of the world and which has influenced world kings. America doesn't fit the description in Revelation. <br>
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I can think of 2 cities.....<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Rome, Italy</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> AND <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Istanbul, Turkey</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. At this point, I'm looking at both. Not certain which will actually push forward to be the one. You might want to read up on the Catholic church and Istanbul and go back and read Revelation 17 & 18 again. Rome currently decks herself out in purple and scarlet (Bishops wear <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;">purple</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> and Cardinals wear <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:red;">scarlet</span><!--EZCODE FONT END-->.)......however, Rome may not actually be the best city that fits the criteria of the woman in Revelation. .....Now....<!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Purple</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> is associated with the Assyrians and <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:red;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Scarlet</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> is associated with the Chaldeans. The Catholic church is now openly embracing their "Assyrian and Chaldean roots"..... BUT I'm still not certain that Rome is the city spoken of. Istanbul, Turkey fits a lot of the woman's description also. Istanbul was founded on 7 hills while Rome has 7 hills yet not actually founded on those hills. Istanbul has trade....exotic markets....look into the information on it. You just might be amazed. The woman is a harlot....she sells herself to others NOT God. She commits adultery. (Perhaps she once belonged to God and has betrayed him for other lovers to obtain all that she clothes herself with.......thus she is a harlot.......and has committed adultery.) She is drunk with the blood of the saints. Well, this could be Rome or Istanbul, Turkey. Did you know that Istanbul used to be called Constantinople? Constantine called it Nova Roma (New Rome). It was the capital of the empire ruled by Constantine. It is were the east meets the west. In Istanbul 3 religions are trying to establish worship together for unity between all religions. Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Islam. Eastern Orthodox is the eastern rite of the Catholic church and currently is seated in Turkey. I find lots of ties between Rome and Istanbul. I just can't figure out yet which I believe more. Perhaps it is that the Catholic churchs ties with Istanbul complete the picture.....I'm just not certain yet.<br>
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But America....New York..... doesn't fit! Sorry.....just doesn't fit. New York and/or America is not responsible for the the blood of the saints through the generations. But the above has been. Lots and lots and lots of persecution and blood. Lots more to come. <p>--------<br>
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who is babylon?

Postby Rustaveli on Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:22 am

"But America....New York..... doesn't fit! Sorry.....just doesn't fit. New York and/or America is not responsible for the the blood of the saints through the generations. But the above has been. Lots and lots and lots of persecution and blood. Lots more to come."<br>
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waiit a minute here..so lets see.. we have about 100<br>
or more prophecy's about babylon..99 of them fit perfect to NYC and America..so you take one out of 99 that says she is responsible for all saints..and you say NYC doesnt fit? are you serious..this is nothing more then apostacy..rejecting gods word..but again people of babylon do not know thier identity..<br>
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now how is it then Rome is responcible for death of all saints throughout the history? how is Iraq?<br>
<br>
you can take any city in the world..and none of them will fit that prophecy..NONE<br>
<br>
because its not city thats responcible for death of all saints..but the system..she is living with..<br>
<br>
freemasonry tracks back all the way to nimrod..<br>
and statue liberty is a gift from french masons..to american masons..<br>
<br>
if america is not babylon the great..and if NYc is not the great city of rev..we are not close to end of time.<br>
<br>
now we all agree that we are in latter days..and most<br>
including herb will agree that we are very close to 70th week..ok with that in mind..lets analyze players today.<br>
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<br>
Because ye were glad, because ye rejoiced, O YE DESTROYERS<br>
OF<br>
MINE HERITAGE,<br>
because ye are grown fat as the heifer at grass, and bellow as bulls; (Jeremiah 50:11)."<br>
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<br>
<br>
Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: BEHOLD, THE<br>
<br>
HINDERMOST<br>
<br>
OF THE<br>
<br>
NATIONS<br>
<br>
shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert."<br>
<br>
(Jeremiah 50:12)<br>
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ok this versa first one can be applyed to anyone..sinse this country burns heritage of God..but second one is very important..because now we see that this country <br>
has a mother now question i pose is..who is mother of Rome? or mother of ancient babylon? they have no mother.. mother of america is England..<br>
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<br>
<br>
(Isaiah 47:12)<br>
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<br>
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<br>
"Babylon hath been a GOLDEN CUP<br>
<br>
IN THE LORD'S HAND, that made all the earth drunken:<br>
<br>
the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad."<br>
<br>
ok again..how Rome is affecting world?..<br>
we know how america is affecting world..with music movies holywood all that good stuff..not so good after all..not in gods eyes..i dont think god enjoys listening to westcoast rap.<br>
<br>
<br>
O thou that DWELLEST UPON<br>
<br>
MANY WATERS,<br>
<br>
ABUNDANT IN TREASURES, THINE END IS COME,<br>
<br>
AND THE MEASURE OF THY COVETOUSNESS<br>
<br>
(Jeremiah 51:13)."<br>
<br>
For in one hour so great riches is come to naught.<br>
<br>
And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships,<br>
<br>
and sailors, and AS MANY AS TRADE BY THE SEA,<br>
<br>
STOOD AFAR OFF...<br>
<br>
(Revelation 18:17)".<br>
<br>
"...FOR THY MERCHANTS WERE THE<br>
<br>
GREAT MEN<br>
<br>
OF THE EARTH;<br>
<br>
for BY THY SORCERIES WERE ALL NATIONS DECEIVED<br>
<br>
(Revelation 18:23)."<br>
<br>
ok now this is very plain..and unless you are rejecting gods word..you will see..this is NYC..this is america..<br>
no other nation comes close.. first of all america is the biggest trade country..with biggest seaport trading system..and AMERICA HAS THE BEST SALES people..<br>
we all know this..AMERICA IS RICH BY TRADING<br>
<br>
WHERE IS WORLD TRADE CENTER? IN ROME? <br>
<br>
no its in NYC<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Jer 50:16 Cut off the sower from Babylon, and him that handleth the sickle in the time of harvest: for fear of the oppressing sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land.<br>
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Jer 51:9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up [even] to the skies.<br>
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so this is ROME? dont make me laugh<br>
we all know even know england gave birth to america..today..America is made out of whole world..<br>
and after those nukes in US..everyone will flee to thier own country..to thier own land..you deny this..you deny gods word.<br>
<br>
<br>
and this is only tip on the iceberg..there is so much more about babylon..and plain proof..that america..and only America..and NYC can fulfil Babylon the great<br>
there is no other nation or city that comes close..this Rome theory is very weak..city on seven hills (when bible says mountains) and catholics..and thats it? Rome is babylon?...no sir..you need lottt more proof then that..<br>
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america/NYC -youngest and richest country in history<br>
<br>
where whole world comes and trades<br>
<br>
where we have every religion,race,culture<br>
and language mixed all in one country.<br>
<br>
has biggest seaport.<br>
<br>
has mother who Bore her-England<br>
<br>
who is lone superpower in the world..LIKE BABYLON IS SUPOSE TO BE<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
WHO IS THE LADY OF KINGDOMS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD..ITS NOT ROME ITS AMERICA.<br>
<br>
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so everyone who were tought that america is not in the bible..you were tought wrong...again god foretold this in babylon..<br>
<br>
<br>
"My people hath been<br>
<br>
LOST SHEEP:<br>
<br>
THEIR SHEPHERDS<br>
<br>
have CAUSED THEM TO<br>
<br>
GO ASTRAY,<br>
<br>
they have turned them away ON THE MOUNTAINS:<br>
<br>
they have GONE FROM MOUNTAIN TO HILL, they have FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTING PLACE<br>
<br>
(Jeremiah 50:6)."<br>
<br>
<br>
this what has hapened in america..shepherds lead thier flock away with stupid novels..and man made up doctrines (like pretrib rapture)<br>
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Rustaveli<br>
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Re: who is babylon?

Postby blessedayers on Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:35 am

Rusty....<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hugs --><img src=http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_2_104.gif ALT=":hugs"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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Check this one out as a possible contender....<br>
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Sinister Paradise: Does the Road to the Future End at .....</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p203.ezboard.com/fherbsdiscussionboardfrm43.showMessage?topicID=948.topic" target="top">p203.ezboard.com/fherbsdiscussionboardfrm43.showMessage?topicID=948.topic</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>
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O thou that DWELLEST UPON<br>
MANY WATERS,<br>
ABUNDANT IN TREASURES, THINE END IS COME,<br>
AND THE MEASURE OF THY COVETOUSNESS<br>
(Jeremiah 51:13)."<br>
<br>
For in one hour so great riches is come to naught.<br>
And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships,<br>
and sailors, and AS MANY AS TRADE BY THE SEA,<br>
STOOD AFAR OFF...<br>
(Revelation 18:17)".<br>
<br>
"...FOR THY MERCHANTS WERE THE<br>
GREAT MEN<br>
OF THE EARTH;<br>
for BY THY SORCERIES WERE ALL NATIONS DECEIVED<br>
(Revelation 18:23)."<br>
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<!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:teal;">"Seek ye out of the book of the LORD,and read: no one of these shall fail...Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things old and new...Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.” Isa.34:16a, Matt.13:52, 2Tim 4:2<br>
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"A man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth; this has been exactly reversed."<br>
John R. W. Stott <br>
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Pro 21:28 A false witness shall perish; but the man that obeyeth shall speak unchallenged. <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;">Jody ***Psalms 119***</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> </p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p203.ezboard.com/bherbsdiscussionboard.showUserPublicProfile?gid=blessedayers>blessedayers</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.stpauls-medina.org/spiritusgladius.gif" BORDER=0> at: 7/28/05 5:38 am<br></i>
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Re: who is babylon?

Postby QuietLtlMe on Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:42 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>who is mother of Rome? or mother of ancient babylon?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->Well, she is the ancient goddess known by many names. It all started with Babylon....and worship of Nimrod's Wife and Son. Nimrod was worshipped as god...His wife was worshipped as the "Mother of god" and His son was worshipped as the "Son of god......Nimrod incarnate....god". She is known by many names and worshipped by all religions other than Christians. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The mother of Rome is known as "MARY"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->....who is the ancient goddess worshipped since Babylon....known by these names and many more: Ishtar, Isis, Aphrodite, Venus, Diana of Ephesus, etc.......<br>
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Here is just <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>one of many</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> websites with information: <br>
<!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:navy;"> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Ishtar was the goddess of love and war to the ancient Babylonians.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> This same goddess was also worshiped throughout the Near East and Mediterranean worlds from the beginning of recorded history until the predominance of Christianity. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Her name varied from place to place, but it was the same goddess who was known as Inanna, Innin, Astarte, Ashtar, and Aphrodite among other names. Ishtar first arose among the Sumerians sometime in the third millennium. They created an entire pantheon of gods who were like humans - only better.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The gods of Sumer reflected the general pessimism of the Sumerians, but also their belief that the human mind could divine the minds of gods by observing perceived supernatural activity.<br>
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The Sumerians' views were a major influence on their contemporaries (especially the early Semites) as well as on their successors, the Babylonians. They also influenced the Hittites, Assyrians, Elamites, and those living in Palestine. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Certain Sumerian gods made the leap to Greece and later to Rome, and Ishtar was such a deity. She became Aphrodite to the Greeks. They stripped her of her war-making aspect and focused almost solely on her nature as goddess of love (especially sexual) and beauty. From the Greeks, the Romans adopted this goddess as their own under the name of Venus.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> All forms of Ishtar under all of their different names were associated with the planet we now know as Venus and which was first known as the morning and evening stars. Thus we are able to see how the worship of this goddess has reached across the void of time and touched us in some small way. <br>
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Ishtar was born in Sumer in very ancient times. She did not start out with all of the traits which made her such a great and powerful goddess. In fact, many scholars believe that this goddess began as a simple Neolithic fertility goddess. Ishtar gradually usurped many of the functions of the Mother Goddess, Ninhursag, and even took her place as Anu's spouse. Anu was the king of the Sumerian gods at this time and Ninhursag was his original wife. She continued to absorb what had been functions of preceding goddesses until the name Ishtar came to mean "goddess". She was the supreme female deity in the pantheons of most of the civilizations in the Near East. Ishtar became goddess of love, fertility, passion, and war. She was Lady of Battle and Queen of Heaven.<br>
<br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>In fact, Ishtar may have been the most ambitious goddess ever divined by man.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Despite <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>already having secured the title "Queen of Heaven" by displacing Ninhursag as wife to Anu, Ishtar decided she wanted to be Queen of the Netherworld as well.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> This is the subject of a myth which was very popular during Ishtar's reign. Ereshkigal, Ishtar's sister, was Queen of the Netherworld when Ishtar made her grab for the title. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Ereshkigal caused Ishtar to be stripped of her seven garments while she went through the gates of Hell and then killed her and put her corpse on a stake. Ishtar was resurrected by the other gods, but had to provide a replacement for herself in the land of the dead. She chose her husband Tammuz.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>
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Ishtar was more successful in attaining her ambition to make her city of Uruk the center of Sumer. She did this by getting the god Enki drunk and wheedling the arts of civilization (called the "me"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> out of him. She quickly flew them home to Uruk, all the while overcoming the evil monsters Enki sent after her when he regained his senses. Ishtar continued to gain more and more functions as time went on, and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>this all contributed to her becoming one of the most powerful of goddesses in all of human history</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The kings of Mesopotamia often had special "relationships" with Ishtar. They often believed their rise to kingship was possible only with the personal intervention of the goddess.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Even the famous Sargon held such a belief. However, in Ishtar's most famous dealings with a king, she was not cast in a helpful light. This king was Gilgamesh, who spurned Ishtar's advances and whose dear friend Enkidu insulted the goddess profoundly. She exacted her revenge by causing Enkidu to die of sickness, which started Gilgamesh's search for immortality.<br>
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Ishtar was worshiped through rituals. One such ritual was a fast of lamentation tied to Ishtar's mourning for her husband Tammuz in the Underworld. This fast was focussed on the idea of death and resurrection. Another important ritual in the worship of Ishtar was the New Year Holiday in Spring. It involved several days of ceremonies and culminated in a "sacred marriage" between the king in the role of Tammuz and Ishtar's high priestess in the role of the goddess. The "marriage" took place on New Year's Day. Interestingly, even the supposed time of the goddess's menstruation was subject to ritual. It was believed to take place at the full moon (Ishtar was also the moon goddess), and was observed as a day of mandatory rest for men and women. Things such as eating cooked food or making a journey were forbidden. It was called "Sabattu" and is believed by some researchers to have been the beginning of the Sabbath observances still taken by many in the present day. Rituals celebrating the goddess often involved music. Many of the rituals surrounding the story of Ishtar and Tammuz also involved music. In the royal tombs at Ur, "bull-bodied harps" likely used in such rituals were discovered. <br>
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Due to her nature as goddess of love, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>ritual prostitution was performed in her name. This practice was very widely diffused among members of her cult.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> In Cyprus where Ishtar was known by the name Aphrodite, it was the custom that unmarried women should prostitute themselves at the goddess' sanctuary and give the profit to the goddess. In <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Ishtar's temple in Babylon, all women, without regard to their class, acted as a prostitute at least once.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Once again, the wages were contributed to Ishtar. Some women had to wait in the sacred precinct for years before they were able to meet this requirement. All of this was done as a sacred duty rather than as a lascivious and lewd act. The rituals practiced in the worship of Ishtar were highly varied but almost always involved fertility in some way.<br>
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The decline of the worship of Ishtar must be seen as extremely gradual due to her many-faceted nature and many different names. In fact, under the name of Venus, her worship lasted past the time of the advent of Christianity. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Roman Empire worshiped Venus (Ishtar) until it adopted Christianity as its state religion. The old gods in the Near East and the Mediterranean regions were pushed away as Christianity took root and Ishtar went with them</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. However, it may be that a form of the veneration of Ishtar is very much with the world to this day. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It may be Ishtar with her duality of sexuality and chastity who provided the model for the Christian figure: the Virgin Mary. Whether this is the case or not does not diminish the importance of the goddess Ishtar. Some of humankind's most important history was spent under her powerful influence. This created effects which we cannot possibly fully comprehend, but which have surely changed the course of our species for all times. In this way, it can accurately be said that when we go to the stars, the mother goddess goes with us.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> She is a part of us now forever. "</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dragonrest.net/histories/ishtar.html">www.dragonrest.net/histories/ishtar.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>now how is it then Rome is responcible for death of all saints throughout the history? how is Iraq?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
Rome........ has persecuted the saints before Constantine declared Christianty the state religion. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Perhaps you forget all the Brethern who were martyred throughout the centuries under Nero and many other Roman Emperors.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> When the real power fell from the Caesars to the Catholic church, the persecution continued on all who dared to disagree or follow "church" doctrine or believe the pope infallible. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Don't forget the Spanish Inquistion</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->......Jews, Christians.....MANY died at the hands of the Tribunal! Many were tortured! <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>These are just SOME of the examples of blood of the saints.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
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As for Babylon, Iraq......... do I really need to mention anything there? <br>
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There is plenty of information out there for you to find, Rustaveli, but believe America IF you want. It seems you are dead set on believing it. Regardless of the many prophecies that American doesn't fit in which other cities do. The Catholic churches ties to Assyria and Chaldea AND BABYLON speak for themselves if you'd only research it out. I'm not going to say more. You can do your own research.<br>
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The woman is NOT just a city.... and I do take that into consideration. The are many propecies......YES. AND I'm looking for the one that fits them all........... America, NY.....doesn't fit. Believe it or not. You are free to believe what you want. <br>
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Dude, don't get so upset because I disagree with you regarding America and New York. I totally understand about freemasonry. But let's not try to make something fit that doesn't fit. <p>--------<br>
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Re: who is babylon?

Postby QuietLtlMe on Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:19 am

While we are on the subject of the Mother who gives birth to daughters. Guess who is the Mother of Assyria and Chaldea? ...... Yep, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Babylon</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->! It speculated but not certain which started religion.... Sumerians either influenced the Babylonians or The Babylonians influenced the Sumerians. I'm trying to find the website again that I ran across while studying the Sumerians....as the thread I started is missing..... Will post it when I find it........... for whomever is interested. <p>--------<br>
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Re: who is the Harlot??

Postby QuietLtlMe on Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:40 am

You may be interested to know that the goddess Ishtar, Inanna...... the "Spiral Goddess"..... is also know as <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;font-size:large;">"She Who is Many"</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br>
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<!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">known by these names:</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:red;">"IsIs ~ Demeter ~ Arinna ~ Yemaya ~ Diana ~ Inanna ~ Ishtar ~ Hecate ~ Brigid ~ Freyja ~ Nammu ~ Astarte ~ Sophia ~ AuLat ~ Maat ~ Minerva ~ Nut ~ Otohime ~ Hathor ~ Mawu ~ Aphrodite ~ Kanayama-hime ~ Luna ~ Kali Ma ~ Quan Yin ~ Selene ~ Kore ~ Amaterasu ~ Pandora ~ Medusa ~ Nathor ~ Venus ~ Gaia ~ Funadama ~ Sedna ~ Iris ~ Corn Mother ~ Dana ~ Kannon ~ Cerridwen ~ Irene ~ Macha ~ Rhiannon ~ Kishimo-jin ~ Hel ~</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;">Mary</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:red;">~ Benzai-Ten ~ Frigga ~ Vinca ~ Lady of the Beasts ~ Uba ~ Rowan ~ Artemis ~ Ma ~ Ki ~ Gabjauja ~ Lhamo ~ Amentet ~ Gabija ~ Laka ~ Selene ~ Allat ~ Uac Rapito ~ Pavasiya ~ Lahar ~Zemyna ~ Securitas ~ Sechat-Hor ~ Pandara ~ Saps ~ Rheia ~ Ma-Zu ~ Ran ~ Quiritus ~ Prende ~ Kishi-Bojin ~ Flora ~ Mayahuel ~ Chup-Kamui ~ Mafdet ~ Diti ~ Fauna ~ Aradia ~ Kaminari ~ Vaisgamta ~ Atabey ~ Pales ~ Zeme pati ~ Kaupuole ~ Rasyte ~ Marisha-Ten ~ Artemis of Ephesus ~ Kami-Musubi ~ Aparajita ~ Hina ~ Oya ~ Zenenet ~ Bona Dea ~ Uma ~ Daphne ~ Heket ~ Ixtab ~ Saule ~ Caca ~ Baubo ~ Eye Goddess ~ Ixchel ~ Helene ~ Quilla ~ Izanami ~</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;">Queen of Heaven</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:red;">~ Unut ~ Ostara ~ Benzai-Ten ~ Zana ~ Bastet ~ Anuket ~ Sothis ~ Ana ~ Oshun ~ Hygeia ~ Sengen ~ Pele ~ Sauska ~ Aditi ~ Lilith ~ Toyouke-Omikami ~</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;">She Who is Many</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:red;">~ Athena ~ Zemes Mate ~ Ceres ~ Fulla ~ Ningal ~ Marama ~ Uni ~ Lucina ~ Grandmother Spider ~ Am-No-Tanabata-Hime ~ Nepit ~ Adraste ~ Persephone ~ Ba ~ Jord ~</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;">Cybele</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:red;">~ Hera ~ Anath ~ Parvati ~ Jian Lao ~ Asthoreth ~ Inar ~ Laka ~ Epona ~ Uzume ~ Circe ~ Damona ~ Camunda ~ Anat ~ Rosmerta ~ Zuimaco ~ Anahita ~ Pomona ~ Eos ~ Tyche ~ Peitho ~ Korrawi ~ Sachmet ~ Isara ~ Nemetona ~ Kubaba ~ Fortuna ~ Aurora ~ Jurate ~ Antum ~ Hine-nui-te-po ~ Ala ~ Karitei-mo ~ Ahurani ~ Kybele ~ Kaltes ~ Nana ~ Ida ~ Pachet ~ Milda ~ Zemyna ~ Fravasi ~ Brigantia ~ Blodeuwedd ~ Yuki-Onna ~ Artio ~ Nakatsu-Hime ~ Selket ~ Tlazolteotl ~ Abundantia ~ Alpan ~ Uli ~ Neith ~ Krumine ~ Venus of Laussel ~ Vinca Bird Goddess ~ Ame-No-Mi-Kumari ~ Medeine ~ Bride ~</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;">Asherah</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:red;">~ Jurakan ~ Ihuanaboina ~ Acatl ~ Pergubre ~ Moon Goddess ~ Laima ~ Giltine ~ Laksmi ~ Gusti Kanjeng Ratu Kidul ~ Minoan Snake Goddess ~ Brigit ~ Gaea ~ Kali Ma ~ Kuan Yin ~ Mother Earth ~ Neoilithic Goddesses ~ Dolni ~ Haniyasu-hime ~ Kojin ~ Kishijoten ~ Goddess of the Amazons ~ Dewi Sri ~<br>
and all the Ancient Goddesses ~"</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> [/b]<br>
Check this out: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.spiralgoddess.com/Mary.html">www.spiralgoddess.com/Mary.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Mary is celebrated around the world as the Divine Feminine by millions of people, many of them Catholics. Those who are devoted to Mary, honor Her as the mother of Jesus. The Blessed Virgin Mary is known as the dispenser of mercy, the ever patient mother, and protectress of humanity. She is the special protectress of women and children. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Mary was declared to be the "Mother of God" by the Christian church in the 5th century at Ephesus, Turkey. Ephesus was the home of a magnificent temple to the Goddess, Artemis Diana, one of whose titles was "Queen of Heaven". <br>
The Christian church also conferred the Goddess's title on the mother of Jesus. They called Her,"Mary, Queen of Heaven" and "Mary, Queen of the Angels." <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The Madonna and child have been revered since the earliest times. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Isis and Her son Horus</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, Mary and Her son Jesus, Demeter and Her daughter Kore, all have attracted a devout following. Long before Isis, and long before Mary or Demeter, the human psyche fashioned Madonna and child icons and placed them in sacred shrines.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Pope John Paul II was deeply devoted to the Blessed Mother and did much to bring honor and a vitality to Her worship. His deep devotion to Mary is shared by many millions of Catholics around the world. It is because of the love for Mary that the Church considered <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>elevating the Blessed Virgin Mary to the role of Co-Redeemer</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->And from <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www3.sympatico.ca/chartreuse/AvatarsOfTheGoddess/Sumeria.htm">www3.sympatico.ca/chartre...umeria.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Inanna<br>
The flowering of Sumeria, its temples, ordered cities, irrigated fields, birthplace of cuneiform writing and codes of law, and mastery of terra-cotta arts, all offer tribute to the first Great Goddess named by history. Bejeweled and serene, her chalice-shaped form was worshipped as early as 7000 BCE.<br>
Sumerian <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Queen of Heaven,"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Inanna is the Great Goddess of Epic Poems. Many fragments of Her sacred writings still survive. In one poem, Inanna descended into the underworld, died and after three days She arose and returned to the living.<br>
Worshiped as early as 7000 BCE, Inanna was still widely revered after patriarchal incursions into the Euphrates plain. She descended from heaven to bring prosperity to Her people, then descended into the Realm of Death in a quest for wisdom. Returning, she condemned her lover and son Dumuzi to replace her there in punishment for his arrogance; their annual sexual union was viewed as the source of fecundity and plenty. Here, bejeweled and serene, she offers Her chalice-shaped body in a supreme gesture of tenderness.<br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Inanna of Power, Goddess of Battle</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Just as she images fertility, the Great Goddess also serves as archetype of natural extremes: monsoon-like storms, great heat, earthquakes. Ancient clay inscriptions depict her raining down fire, mounted on a beast, and call her "devastatrix of the lands." Her chthonic powers become explanatory of earth-scourging catastrophes, and these aspects still live in the forms of Kali and Durga. For Sumerians, battle was known as the dance of Inanna. She stands Amazon-like, rooted and erect, garbed as Warrior Queen, gesturing confidently with her lance of power. <br>
Inanna-Sumerian Queen of the Land. Source of the Earth's life blood. She filled the wells, rivers and springs with Her blood. 2,000 B.C.E. Juniper is Her tree.<br>
"Lady of the Thousand Offices", She is the primary female Deity of Her people, and in some ways the focus of the entire pantheon. Her epithet refers to the fact that She is Patroness and divine Guide to a myriad different functions and powers. One tradition has Her the daughter of An, but a more persistent one makes Her the child of Nanna-Suen. All agree that She is the younger sister to Ereskigal. She has many lovers and consorts, but her strongest attachment seems to be with Dumuzi. She rules the natural world, and the vitalizing effect of the rain, but beyond that Her functions seem to revolve around pairs of contending ideas. Thus, She is both the morning and the evening star. She represents motherhood and the family, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>but She is also the harlot and temple prostitute.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> She governs lightning, but also the dousing of fire. Her spirit is one of praise and gladness, and also dismay and sorrow. Her imagery usually portrays Her as a winged female bearing weapons and some armour, wearing an open robe, nude underneath.<br>
Inanna is regarded as a daughter of the sky-god An, but also of the moon-god Nanna. A variation of her name is Ninnanna, which means 'queen of the sky'. She is also called Ninsianna as the personification of the planet Venus. Inanna is portrayed as a fickle person who first attracts men and then rejects them. She is depicted as richly dressed goddess or as a naked woman. Her symbol is the eight-pointed star. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Important sanctuaries of Inanna were in Uruk, Zabalam, and Babylon.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The Akkadians called her Ishtar. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->The Anti-Christ is one who worships the gods of forces or god of forces. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I wonder if that means he worships the "Goddess of Battle"...."Goddess of War"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.................<br>
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Re: who is the Harlot??

Postby blessedayers on Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:06 am

Wow Quiet...lots of good info there<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :blessyou --><img src=http://forums.catholic.com/images/smilies/signs/blessyou.png ALT=":blessyou"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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Hey...I have heard that Ishtar....is where we got the word easter? And it is only used once in the scriptures and isnt supposed to be there.<br>
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And that the egg and bunny of easter represented fertility rites?<br>
You come across anything about that?<br>
It may be in the info you provided and I missed it...I have the grandsons running in and out today <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :faint --><img src=http://members.shaw.ca/wpf/misc/faint.gif ALT=":faint"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
<!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:teal;">"Seek ye out of the book of the LORD,and read: no one of these shall fail...Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things old and new...Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.” Isa.34:16a, Matt.13:52, 2Tim 4:2<br>
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"A man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth; this has been exactly reversed."<br>
John R. W. Stott <br>
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Pro 21:28 A false witness shall perish; but the man that obeyeth shall speak unchallenged. <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;">Jody ***Psalms 119***</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> </p><i></i>
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Re: who is the Harlot??

Postby QuietLtlMe on Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:26 am

I have been researching many things in relation to Mystery Babylon spoken of in Revelation 17. I believe it runs deeper than the Catholic Church, however this website does an EXCELLENT job in showing proof of paganism intermixed with Christianity. When you have time to really watch the slide show, please do so. I did watch it and it shows many things that I have come across in my research. <br>
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<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.remnantofgod.org/flash/whore/whoremenu.html">www.remnantofgod.org/flas...emenu.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>
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I don't mean for this to be Anti Catholic - but mean to show the truth of what is and has been happening. The slide show is kind of long but if you have to stop, you can pick up any time by clicking on the scene you want to start viewing from again. I clicked on Scene One and viewed everything as it ran consequtively. After the pictures and captions, there is a brief slide show about the pagan doctrines taught through the Catholic church.<br>
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hey...I have heard that Ishtar....is where we got the word easter? And it is only used once in the scriptures and isnt supposed to be there. <br>
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And that the egg and bunny of easter represented fertility rites? You come across anything about that?<br>
<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->Yes, I have run across that in my research many times. I'll see if I can find the information and send it to you.<br>
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RE:The Harlot..who are the Saints?

Postby Neurobod on Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:29 am

Thank you everyone for your contributions to this topic on the Harlot and the Statue of Liberty etc<br>
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There is much here to discuss. The symbolism of purple and red, the meaning of the Harlot riding the beast, and the Harlot being drunk with the blood of the saints etc etc.<br>
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I will deal here with the thorny question of the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Saints</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. I agree this is the one bit that is difficult to fit America / New York...if indeed this is the present day meaning of the Harlot. I would not discount some of the other cities that have been mentioned as possible contenders. Indeed prophcies may be fullfilled more than once for different "generations". I believe we are the last generation spoken of by Jesus (Mathew Chap 24) and I beleive that the final Babylon described in Rev 17 & 18 best fits with the city of New York.<br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Saints</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
The word used in revelation is the Greek <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Hagios</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> meaning literally those who inspire awe and it is the same word used for holy in "The Holy Spirit". I used to asume that saint meant "christian" (incidentally "christian" is a term that only appears 3 times in the bible). The trouble is that saint is also used in the AV throughout the bible as far back as Deuteronomy. The word saint in Revelation is probably referring to the same group referred to as saints in Daniel chapter 7 and elsewhere in Daniel. The word for saint in Daniel is qaddiysh (Aramaic) meaning the holy or righteous set-apart ones.....mmmmm.<br>
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OK .......is there anyway New York could be "Drunk with the blood of the Saints".......?<br>
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.....I'm going to leave this one for debate before I tell you what I think.<br>
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Angela<br>
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Re: who is the Harlot??

Postby QuietLtlMe on Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:50 am

This is another website I found informative. This website and the others are PAGAN websites that disavow Christianity and Judaism. However.......the information shows what paganism exists, some of how it began and how it evolved and you will notice how it exists in some churches today.<br>
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<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.goddess.org/vortices/notes/cybele.html">www.goddess.org/vortices/...ybele.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>
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Below are exerpts from that site.<br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Pagan Goddess of the Sibyl and Cybele Oracle</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
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"The priestesses of The Great Pagan Goddess Cybele (Kybele - cave dweller) would, through a transformation by the Greeks, be confused with and eventually known as the Sibyls. The <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Great Goddess of Asia Minor is the oldest true Goddess known, predating the Goddesses of the Sumerian and Egyptians by at least 5,000 years.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> While there have been Goddess figurines found which date to 30,000 years ago, they come to us without knowledge of their origin or character of the Goddess they represent. A figurine found at Çatal Hüyük, dating to 8,000 year ago, depicts the Mother Goddess squatting in the process of giving birth while flanked by two leopards. In later centuries, the leopards would be changed to lions--the metamorphosed Atalanta and Hippomenes, though leopards were considered to be female lions by the ancients. Her worship was originally combined with that of the Bull of Heaven, which is also prominently displayed at Çatal Hüyük. <br>
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A transformation of sounds, which may well have been Sybele that early in history, appears two thousand years later in Sumer as Siburi, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the Divine Barmaid who held the keys to descent into the underworld</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. She was <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>in fact the earthly Priestess of the Sumerian Goddess Inanna, holding the keys "Me" of the Holy Tavern and Cult Harlotry</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->--though a Harlot was actually a priestess of the Egyptian Goddess Hathor. Inanna arose at the time of the death of Gugalanna, The Bull of Heaven, and husband to Ereshkigal, Goddess of the Sumerian underworld. .............................<br>
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Before the Akkadian conquest of Sumer by Sargon the Great, (c. 4200 years ago) Siburi had already been relegated to the near underworld, whose gates were at Eridu, [Eridanus of the Greeks], but <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>her Priestesses continued as Siburu</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> [belonging or pertaining to Siburi] <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>and spread their Holy Tavern Harlotry to the north and west in the Akkadian Empire</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. When Hammurabi conquered Sumer-Akkad, (c. 3700 years ago) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the name of Inanna was changed to Ishtar. The cuneiform characters, for Inanna and Ishtar are the same</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> but are pronounced differently. In the new language Siburu became known as Si-bel-u (bel being lord) in the new language, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>while Her heavenly aspect became Subulutu, the "celestial virgin", which is a priestess who never married but was sexually promiscuous.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> ..........................<br>
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The Hittites, who had first arrived <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>in northwest Asia-Minor (modern Turkey) about 3900 years ago</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, began their rise to power about the time of Hammurabi, but were held in check for the next one hundred and fifty years, when Babylonia become a weakened nation. Six generations later, the Egyptians under Tuthmosis III, conquered much of the former Babylonian territory. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It was during this period that the Holy Taverns and the Sibelu spread north to the place of its origin in Asia Minor and as far as the Caucasus Mountains. By the time Assyria rose to power, [300 years after Hammurabi--c. 1400 BCE] the Sibelu had spread throughout Asia Minor, beyond the Black Sea and into Europe.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> In Thrace their Holy Taverns were established as temples of Sibyl, as the Sumerian "u" was dropped from the name. ........................................<br>
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It was from Thrace [in Europe] that the Phrygian priestesses brought their cult back across the Hellesport and the Bosphorus into Asia Minor where it combined with the Mother Goddess as Cybele, about 150 years before Troy. However, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the function of the Sibyl was always the same as Siburi, [and much like that of the Shaman] to give comfort to the Spirit of the dead as they made their journey to the underworld; and to instruct the living on how to prepare for the journey into darkness.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> ...................................<br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Cybele thus became the Goddess of Asia Minor</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> while, Sibyl or Sybil, which means "Cavern-dweller" became the title for the Priestesses who would be distantly related and known as the Sibyllae in Greece..............................<br>
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Prior to the founding of Rome (AUC) the Priestesses had been chosen for service when they were 10-12 years old, and like the priestesses of Hathor in Egypt, they performed sexual rituals as part of their oracular duties. This did not fit into Apollonian theology of "moderation in all things" and divine homosexuality and about 200 AUC (c. 550 BCE) the priests of Apollo at Delphi changed the Order of the Pythoness. Under this new Order, the Pythoness was chosen only after she had become too old for marrying [age 5<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 0] --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif ALT="0]"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> and too old to be sexually attractive, "thus insuring that oracle would be inspired by Apollo and not by a woman's love." But there was more to this change than the age of the Priestess. It had to do with sex itself and the authority of the male priest over the priestesses. <br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Justification for the supremacy of male the priests of Apollo had begun in the earliest days of the Hellas, when the poet Thamyris fell in love with Hyacinthus.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">Thamyris was the first "man to love another man" for Hyacinthus was a beautiful young boy. In what was to become the Greek way, Apollo vied for the same love.</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> Thamyris, however, made the mistake of challenging the Nine Muses to a contest of their skills. Thamyris proposed a wager, if he should win, he would have sex with each of the Muses. The Muses agreed, but put the condition that if he lost he would be made blind and lose his memory of harp playing. Thamyris lost and Apollo was left to enjoy the fruits of divine homosexuality, until Zephyr, the West Wind, also took a liking to Hyacinthus. .....................................<br>
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This is somewhere between legend and myth, as it has little to do with the cosmos, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>but rather it is used as historical justification for homosexuality among the Greeks. There is no question that homosexuality (or rather male bi-sexuality) was very much a part of the early religious practices. But those were sacred homosexual rituals. By making the sex of Hyacinthus and Apollo, "love" between a mortal and a god, Greek men were justified in emulating their god.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>
When the Priestesses of Daphoene were taken over by the male priests of Apollo, the priests vied for both oracle and the sexual rituals of the Priestesses,.......................................<br>
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Marcus Terentius Varro, the Roman scholar and director of Caesar's library said there were eleven Sibyls, one each residing in the great centers of the world. <br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>In Persia she was Sibylla Persica, and was depicted as carrying a lantern and had a serpent under her feet</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->; <br>
in Libya, Sibylla Libyea held a lighted torch; <br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>at Delphi, the Sibylla Delphica wore a crown of thorns</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->; <br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>at Cumae, Sibylla Cumana had an stone manger;</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>
at Samos, Sibylla Cania bore a reed and a candle; <br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the Sibylla Cimmeria carried a cross;</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>
Sibylla Erythreia held a white rose; <br>
on the Tibur, Sibylla Tibertina was dressed in animal skins and carried the fascista bundle of rods; <br>
at Marpessa, Sibylla Europa carried sword; <br>
on the Hellesport, Sibylla Hellespontina carried a flowering branch; <br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Sibylla Phrygia carried a banner and prophesied resurrection.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>
But it would appear that only the Sibyls of Cumae, Marpessa and Phrygia where true Cybelea. Though the Phrygian Sibyl was in fact a Priestess of Dionysus, and it was the resurrection he offered which she prophesied. <br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It was the Great Mother, Cybele, as the Greeks and Roman's knew Her, who was originally worshiped in the mountains of Phrygia where she was called the Mountain Mother.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->........................................<br>
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Legend has it that some time after the founding of Rome, the Sibyl at Cumae offered nine of her prophetic books for sale to Tarquinius Superbus, the Seventh (and last) legendary King of Rome. Tarquinius refused to pay what was demanded, so the Sibyl burned three of the books. When he still refused to pay the price, the Sibyl burned another three, and Tarquinius finally paid as much for the three as she had demanded for the original nine. The books were kept in three Temples, those of Jupiter, Juno and Minerva on the Capitoline Hill. Thereafter, the Sibylline Books could only be consulted by an act of the Senate. <br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>When Hannibal threatened Rome in 543 AUC (210 BCE), the Senate ordered consultation of the Sibylline books and found the promise that whenever an enemy from abroad should make war on Italy they would be expelled and conquered if the Idaean Mother were to be brought to Rome. Rome immediately began building a temple for the Great Mother of the Gods</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> [Mater Deum Magna] on the Palatine. <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">The Palatine was one of the Seven Hills on Rome's left bank, the others being Capitoline, Quirinal, Viminal, Esquiline, Caelian and Aventine. There are actually 10 hills, the 3 on the right bank being, Vatican, Monte Mario, Monte Gianicolo (Janiculum), but in pre-christian times, those three were inhabited only by riff-raft and mosquitos</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END-->. But it was six years (549 AUC) before Her silver statue and her sacred symbol [a small black stone which fell from the heavens] was able to be brought to Rome. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Goddess was quickly accepted as the Great Mother [Magna Mater]</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, even though the Romans were appalled by the rituals of the Galla Priests. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Within 200 years of its official acceptance by the Romans, worship of The Great Mother had become one of the three important cults of Rome</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, though it had few priests. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The other two cults were those of Isis and Mithra. The festival of the Great Mother was originally held in Rome on April 4, followed on April 5 by the Megalesia Games, which were instituted when Her cult was introduced by command of the Roman Senate. Under the Etruscan Emperor, Claudius, the Megalesia was extended from April 4 to 10. Even later the festivals were changed to run from March 15 to 27 so as to coincide with the Spring Equinox.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> When the Capitoline was burned in 670 AUC (83 BCE), a new collection of Sibylline Books was compiled and were last ordered consulted by Julian <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>[called the Apostate by Christians]</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> in 1116 AUC. The books were destroyed in 1156 AUC (403 C.E.) by Flavious Stilicho, the Vandal chieftain who served as commander in chief of the Roman Army under the christian Emperor Theodosius. "<br>
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Re: who is the Harlot??

Postby blessedayers on Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:20 pm

""the Divine Barmaid who held the keys to descent into the underworld""<br>
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Does that not bring the nightmarish image of rodney howard browns blasphemy to mind? <p><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
<!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:teal;">"Seek ye out of the book of the LORD,and read: no one of these shall fail...Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things old and new...Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.” Isa.34:16a, Matt.13:52, 2Tim 4:2<br>
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"A man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth; this has been exactly reversed."<br>
John R. W. Stott <br>
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Pro 21:28 A false witness shall perish; but the man that obeyeth shall speak unchallenged. <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:purple;">Jody ***Psalms 119***</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> </p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p203.ezboard.com/bherbsdiscussionboard.showUserPublicProfile?gid=blessedayers>blessedayers</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.stpauls-medina.org/spiritusgladius.gif" BORDER=0> at: 7/28/05 3:39 pm<br></i>
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Re: who is the Harlot??

Postby watchingandwaiting on Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:53 pm

I too about a year and a half ago used to think N.Y. mirrored the great harlot and had even thought that 9/11 mirrored it in an odd way.Then I started to seriously research it and after sifting through tons upon tons of information about the coming New World Order,reading Constance Cumbeys book and adding in What I already knew about Ancient history and pagan beliefs(mythos,practice,occultisim and the likes) and the new age,Masons,Illumanati,Knights Templar(Crusaders) and everyother secret society under the sun.I can say without a doubt AMERICA is not the Harlot.<br>
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Now where to start hmm thats tricky,here we go.<br>
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If you look at where ancient Babylon is located ,now present day Iraq,you also find Assyria,which was known as the cradle of civilazation,also several scholars and myself tend to beleive that Eden was located in that general area.<br>
Also factor in the tower of babel,where God seperated the tounges and people of the world for trying to reach the heavens through their own ingenuity.<br>
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17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. <br>
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mystery-musthvrion Musterion (moos-tay'-ree-on); Noun Neuter, Strong #: 3466 <br>
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hidden thing, secret, mystery <br>
generally mysteries, religious secrets, confided only to the initiated and not to ordinary mortals <br>
a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding <br>
a hidden purpose or counsel <br>
secret will 1c <br>
of men 1c <br>
of God: the secret counsels which govern God in dealing with the righteous, which are hidden from ungodly and wicked men but plain to the godly <br>
in rabbinic writings, it denotes the mystic or hidden sense <br>
of an OT saying <br>
of an image or form seen in a vision <br>
of a dream.<br>
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Assyria and Babylon where known as the beginnings of the mystery schools that went on into Egypt and Greece throughout the ancient world.The mother of all of the Dark arts scorcery witchcraft divination astrology and all matters of the Occult.As was stated before much of the goddess worship and idolotry started in this place.One of the most dangerous books of the occult The Necronomicon is actually taken from the religion of Assyria and Babylon.<br>
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For those that may be apt to label this next part conspiracy I would like to point out that this is Historically acurate(as far as I know)and to save anyone huge amounts of research and endless hours of reading pick up the book "New World Order" The ancient plan of secret societies. by William T. Still . It is written by a Christian author and has to be the best researched piece I've found to date.I'm not sure if it is still in print because i found it at a used bookstore.But as I said I wish i Would have found this over a year ago it would have saved me alot of time and headaches.<br>
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As for the masons and the tie with america you have to actually do some research on the history pertaining to this link.The masons claim ties to Atlantean roots possibly pre flood,and also name Hiram Abiff as the first,who is one of the builders on Solomons Temple but if you do your research this does'nt add up.The Knights Templar during crusades were caught in acts of witchcraft and idolatry(this is even sketchy for as the reason why)were executed on friday the 13th(how this day got such a bad rap as being unlucky) and the survivors that managed to escape execution formed the Freemasons.Which went on all throughout Europe France Britain and Spain to name just a few.When the Americas were discovered by Christopher Columbus flying under the flag of the Knights Templar the people of these societies had thought they found there promise land.They sent people across the seas to form what became Jamestown which fell prey to starvation and the death of the majority of the people in this colony.Then enter the pigrims who fleeing religious persecution from the catholic church also set out for The Americas and ended up landing way off course at Plymoth.If they would have landed where they were supposed to they might have perished also but instead came into an area of fertile land and friendly Natives.Now I don't know about you but that sounds to me like divine intervention.<br>
As to how the statue of liberty factors into all of this is the fact that it was given as a gift by France to the U.S. for two reasons the first one being is how America won its liberty from Britan and secondly as a thanks for Thomas Jeffersons support of the french revolution.The mastermind behind the french revolution Weiskapht's ideas ended up forming marxisim and then communisim.Needless to say The Masons and other societies had a pivotal roll in bringing about satans end time government and yes their hand can be seen all over america and its situation but as far as their plans for the U.S. have thus far failed other than the fact that we have been used as a pawn repeatedly for their cause.<br>
The first two world wars happend as how they were planned and the third, if we can call it that is also going as according to plan,a plan that was created in the late 1700's.The last of the wars being of such great acts of terror to bring about the world crying out for peace and safety.World war two's aim was to start a one world peace keeping system ala league of nations then nato and obviously to now the E.U,and if you look at todays posting at the front of the board you see a plan for an "alliance of civilisations" to combat Islamist terrorism.<br>
The tie with America and the Masons and the harlot,sorry I don't see it and the reason being is that none of these plans were brought about from here nor executed from here.We are still looking at the continent of Europe as the mother where they originated from so that tie therefore is cancelled out.<br>
Let's also look at the Religious system associated with the Harlot.This system is any idolatrous defiance of Gods word.Repeatedly I keep seeing the Catholic Church being referenced and with good cause considering Constantine full well knew if he was to keep the roman empire alive he was going to have to adopt Christianity and mix it with their pagan religion to form a system that would apeal to both more or less to hide away it's true intent.The Pope essentially still holds the same office as Romes leaders did.But heres where I see a flaw in that,The Roman Catholic Church does not deny the divinity of Christ and as a matter of fact they spent many months deliberating on this in of all places Laodaceia.<br>
So obviusly we have to look else where for that religious system even though the Catholic Church fits it in many ways I beleive there are definately others to consider.The New Age movement which is nothing more than rehashed ancient ideas and religious beleifs ,NeoPaganisim(Witchcraft)and the one that refuses to be called a religion Humanisim.<br>
If you have'nt read The Hidden Dangers of The Rainbow I will say now it is a must read for anyone interested in endtime prophecy and its fulfillment.You will definately see the hand the New Age has had in fulfilling all of this and the true intentions behind their dark motive.<br>
The thing being is that all of The Mystery aspects of the harlot evolved from out of Babylon and to truely understand the harlot in this aspect and the others besides physical location(7 hills-mon in latin meaning mountains)is that it is referring to a system of religion and a monetary system.<br>
To see its signifigance as far as Rome is concerned you have to do your Homework in History especially as how it applys to the timeframe when John was at Patmos writing Revelation and also apply it to the current situation with the E.U.Also if You look at an advertisement of theirs they claim they are rebuilding the tower of babel and on the E.U currency paper and coin there is a picture of the Harlot riding the beast.Prophecy fulfilled or a mockery who's to say .<br>
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MOTHER-mhvthr Meter (may'-tare); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 3384 <br>
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a mother <br>
metaph. the source of something, the motherland <br>
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HARLOTS-povrnh Porne (por'-nay); <br>
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a woman who sells her body for sexual uses <br>
a prostitute, a harlot, one who yields herself to defilement for the sake of gain <br>
any woman indulging in unlawful sexual intercourse, whether for gain or for lust <br>
metaph. an idolatress <br>
of "Babylon" i.e. Rome, the chief seat of idolatry <br>
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ABOMINATIONS-bdevlugma Bdelugma (bdel'-oog-mah); <br>
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a foul thing, a detestable thing <br>
of idols and things pertaining to idolatry <br>
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and lastly, BABYLON, Babulwvn Babulon (bab-oo-lone'); <br>
Word Origin: Hebrew, Noun Location, Strong #: 897 <br>
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Babylon = "confusion" <br>
a very large and famous city, the residence of the Babylonian kings, situated on both banks of the Euphrates. Cyrus had formerly captured it, but Darius Hystaspis threw down its gates and walls, and Xerxes destroyed the temple of Belis. At length the city was reduced to almost solitude, the population having been drawn off by the neighbouring Seleucia, built on the Tigris by Seleucus Nicanor. <br>
of the territory of Babylonia <br>
allegorically, of Rome as the most corrupt seat of idolatry and the enemy of Christianity <br>
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Now granted the U.S. may mirror the harlot in some ways, the U.S.never was the mother of all these abominations.<br>
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17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. <br>
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And New York does not reign over the kings of the earth unless you are going to imply NATO which does'nt fit either.<br>
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Like I said at the beginning of my post I used to think the same thing but the evidence from my research proves,at least in my opinion, that this is not so. <br>
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AS I have stated in some of my other posts I also could be wrong and that we as humans are all prone to mistake.This is just my point of view and how I see it at this point in time.But that may change Thanks.<br>
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Rome can not be babylon

Postby Rustaveli on Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:40 am

"17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.<br>
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And New York does not reign over the kings of the earth unless you are going to imply NATO which does'nt fit either."<br>
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what does bible mean when it says king?..abviously we have no kings today..so what would it mean? it means rulers..most powerfull man of the country..a ruler..<br>
so when we see king of the north vs king of the south..abviously these are rulers..king of the east..and so on..so now someone please tell me..how does rome reign over kings of the earth? it doesnt..<br>
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i'll tell you how NYC rules the kings of the earth..<br>
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we all know reall capital of USA is not DC but NYC..<br>
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NYC is where all the leaders of all earth come and<br>
decide fate of the world..they decide what to do how to do it..how to bring new world order..and so on..<br>
weather you take UN or Nato..they Rule the kings..not Rome..<br>
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how do kings of the earth get waxed with riches from <br>
Romes luxury? they dont..<br>
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NYC is the richest..and youngest..with biggest seaport trade system..and what about rome?..all those <br>
nice articles and all..but truth stands..Rome is not the richest..not the youngest..not with big seaport trading..<br>
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when mistery babylon is destroyed..merchants of the world weep..can please someone explain..why would<br>
merchants of the world weep over Rome?..again truth stands they would not..but they would weep over NYC<br>
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BECAUSE THATS WHERE WHOLE WORLD COMES AND TRADES!<br>
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lotta people love to compare harlot..to mary..or to church..and connect that with Rome..but those are theorys.. but facts speak diferent facts are that Rome does not meet<br>
gods standarts for Mistery babylon..it just doesnt.<br>
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now so many claim they have done so much research and they are sure Rome is mistery babylon..i would compare that with prophecy teachers..who study prophecys for 30 years..and yet do not know who America is in bible prophecy's..<br>
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and for some others..who figured out how to take truth over pain..they know..trust me..they know..if you think we are close to tribulation..you cant posibly say that Rome is babylon..that makes you sound not very smart.<br>
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but if you say we are 100 or some years away..yeah sure..Rome can become Babylon..they can build big seaport..and they can move WTC in Rome..and rome can become super military power..that will rule the kings of the earth..but as we stand..thats a lie..Rome rules nothing..<br>
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now one thing..some need to understand..is that Babylon from OT is connected to mistery babylon..<br>
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we have many prophecys for ancient babylon..that has been fulfilled..but most..have not been fulfilled..and we see that babylon from OT is infact a nation..big nation..youngest and richest nations of all nations in latter days..we see that she has a symbol of a lady..<br>
she is daughter of babylon..and we see that she has mix mingled people..we see that after some time..everyone flees to thier own land from that nation..we see that this nation has a mother who bore her and she is ashamed of her..and will watch her burn.<br>
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now connect that nation to mistery babylon..they are the same..exept mistery babylon is a Great city..<br>
description of daughter of babylon and mistery babylon are the same..<br>
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so no matter what article you will find on internet..or however you twist it..Rome does not have big seaport..Rome does not have world trade center..<br>
rome does not rule over any king..it has no power..<br>
rome itself is ruled by EU. rome isnt affecting world with her immoral lifestyle ...rome does not have aviation system so she cant try to make a nest in heaven..like babylon wants to..therefore no enemy from the north will destroy Rome..<br>
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Rome has no mother that bore her..<br>
and Rome is not made out people from whole world..couple of cardinals maybe..but thats about it.<br>
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mistery babylon is a city withing nation of babylon..who is a lone superpower right before second coming..<br>
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Rome is no super power..<br>
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Re: who is the Harlot??

Postby QuietLtlMe on Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:42 am

Hmmmm, WatchingandWaiting, I can see you've done research. Good. I agree with most of what you've said yet I have a question and a couple of comments and will leave the rest be.<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But heres where I see a flaw in that,The Roman Catholic Church does not deny the divinity of Christ and as a matter of fact they spent many months deliberating on this in of all places Laodaceia.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->I too see that the Catholic church may not fit it all as yet, but...... why do you see a flaw in that the church does not deny the divinity of Christ -- as yet? <br>
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Why do you think they have to in order to meet as described in scripture??? Here's what I see:<br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>1.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> They may not have to! They could just persecute and kill all who do not bow to the pope as infallible. Been done many times before and sanctioned by the governments of those times. It is fully possible that they could label anyone who disagrees with them as "heretic" and voila!...... they kill the saints yet believe that they do so for God.<br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>2.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> In a way they do deny the divinity of Christ. They place most glory and honor and worship at Mary's feet. They teach salvation through the sacraments and many other things contrary to scripture. They may claim the name of Jesus Christ but not much is really done in truth to give him honor and glory. The Pope and Mary receive that. <br>
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>3.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> IF the Catholic church is the harlot or part of the harlot system, wouldn't it be a mystery................and wouldn't it mean harlotry in many ways? Having a form of godliness yet denied the power. She looks like she's devoted to god yet she worships another and sells herself for her own glory and gain. Know how rich the vatican is in assets? Know all the pagan practices engaged in? The vatican...the pope...deems itself/himself....authority to speak as god and for the people.....all people of faith..... That is Many people represented. Jesuits have their ties in all of this as well. (My mind is not set in stone on this issue but all things should be considered.)<br>
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>and also apply it to the current situation with the E.U<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->Assuming that the E.U. current situation has any bearing on the rise of the 4th kingdom. 4th kingdom is not identified specifically as Rome...... I see why many believe that but I'm starting to see differently. 4th kingdom may be an alliance of Middle Eastern nations. 4th kingdom spiritually is another story. (I'll agree about the New Age movement.)<br>
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Anyway.... just some thoughts.... my opinions.... for what it's worth.<br>
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Re: The Harlot & The Statue of Liberty & Freemasonar

Postby QuietLtlMe on Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:37 am

Rustaveli,<br>
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The mentioning of Rome was in the spiritual sense of Mystery Babylon and that of the connection to Istanbul and Babylon. The Babylonian religion is taught through the Catholic Church under the guise of Christianity. There was once sea faring trade in ancient Rome and when Constantine chose to make Istanbul the New Capital of the Empire.....Rome had control over the sea trade there...Istanbul, Turkey. You still haven't checked out Istanbul, Turkey yet have you? History proves quite a bit fits there if you'd only consider....including sea trade. From a scriptural point of view....Turkey (Asia Minor) is the location of the 7 churches spoken of in Revelation. 1 church in Pergamos (which means "The HEIGHT" --- Satan seeks to elevate himself above God) is the city where Satan has his throne. Pergamos....not far from Istanbul. Actually, Seeker gives a pretty good overall view on page 15 (last post) in the Turkey thread.<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The city has been conquered, fought over and rebuilt many times over the centuries. Istanbul’s history dates back to the first settlement possibly in the 13th Century BC, although was founded by Byzas the Megarian in the 7th Century BC, from when the city was named Byzantium. A small colony of Greeks inhabited the area until 3rd Century BC, and over the next 1000 years <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>became a thriving trading and commercial centre</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Whilst continuing life as a trading city during the Roman Empire, it was then conquered by Emperor Septimus Severius in 193 AD.<br>
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During the 4th century, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Istanbul was selected by the Roman Empire to be the new capital, instead of Rome</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, by Constantine. It was a strategic choice: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Built on seven surrounding hills – echoing that of Rome</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> – the city would have control of the Bosphorus and easy access to the harbour of the Golden Horn. The city was re-organized within six years, its ramparts widened and the construction of many temples, official buildings, palaces, hamams and hippodrome.<br>
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With great ceremony, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>in the year 330 the city was officially announced as the capital of the Roman Empire, and known as Constantinople in the late eras. It remained the capital of the eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine) for a long period</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, due to the fall of the west Roman Empire in the 5th century. By the sixth century, the population exceeded half a million, and was considered a golden age under Emperor Justinyen’s reign.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"There, God and human, nature and art are together, they have created such a perfect place that it is valuable to see." Lamartine·s famous poetic line reveals his love for <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Istanbul, describing the embracing of two continents, with one arm reaching out to Asia and the other to Europe</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Istanbul, once known as the capital of capital cities</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, has many unique features. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It is the only city in the world to straddle two continents, and the only one to have been a capital during two consecutive empires - Christian and Islamic.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Once capital of the Ottoman Empire, Istanbul still remains the commercial, historical and cultural pulse of Turkey, and its beauty lies in its ability to embrace its contradictions. Ancient and modern, religious and secular, Asia and Europe, mystical and earthly all co-exist here. <br>
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Its variety is one of Istanbul·s greatest attractions: The ancient mosques, palaces, museums and bazaars reflect its diverse history. The thriving shopping area of Taksim buzzes with life and entertainment. And the serene beauty of the Bosphorus, Princes Islands and parks bring a touch of peace to the otherwise chaotic metropolis. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Ladies and Gentlemen; Welcome to Istanbul. <br>
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With 12 million residents, Istanbul draws the profile of a sweet and sly cat, lurking in the dark, ready to surprise you anytime. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It is the salad bowl of everyone and anyone.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Get in a taxi and take a ride through this unconsciously post-modern city. From a window you would think you are in the heart of a typical Middle Eastern town, from another in an ultra-modern center. <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Bosphorus, Golden Horn, Sea of Marmara and Black Sea are the four waterways that wash the banks of this romantic city.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The Bosphorus is the narrow channel that separates Europe from Asia. <br>
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The Golden Horn, actually an offshoot of the Sea of Marmara with the famous Galata Bridge at its entrance, divides the European part into two, naming them the old and the new cities.<br>
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The Black Sea and the Sea of Marmara wrap up Istanbul from the northeast and the southwest. The Asian side holds most of the residential areas in town. The European side contains the old city, which is a wonderland of mosques, opulent palaces, churches and monasteries, Roman aqueducts and cisterns, the ancient city walls, as well as the Grand Bazaar. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Halic Bay (Golden Horn), a horn-shaped bay located on the European side of Istanbul, is one of the most beautiful natural harbors in the world.<br>
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The former capital of three successive empires, Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman, Istanbul today honors and preserves the legacy of its past while looking forward to a modern future.<br>
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It is Istanbul's endless variety that fascinates its visitors. The museums, churches, palaces, grand mosques, bazaars and sights of natural beauty seem innumerable.<br>
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Reclining on the western shore of the Bosphorus at sunset contemplating the red evening light reflected in the windows of the opposite shore you may suddenly and profoundly understand why so many centuries ago settlers chose to build on this remarkable site. At such times you can see why <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Istanbul is truly one of the most glorious cities in the world.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The history of the city, which is known as the "Capital of the Empires", goes back to ancient times.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The city was founded by the Megaras in A.D. 658 and was named Byzantium after their commander Byzas. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The city, which developed very rapidly and turned into a large trade center, existed for hundreds of years as the capital of the Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman Empires. Today it has become Turkey's most important tourism, trade and industrial city.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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The world trade center and stock exchanges in NY are not the holding power of money and economics. The power of the U.S. dollar is even dwindling. Some may meet in New York but the real money meets elsewhere and controls from elsewhere. <br>
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I never said ROME definate. In fact, here is what I did say from post #624 <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>YES there are more decadent cities with more luxuries & excesses which has greater trade with the sea faring merchants of the world and which has influenced world kings. America doesn't fit the description in Revelation. <br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I can think of 2 cities</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.....Rome, Italy AND Istanbul, Turkey. At this point, I'm looking at both. Not certain which will actually push forward to be the one. You might want to read up on the Catholic church and Istanbul and go back and read Revelation 17 & 18 again. Rome currently decks herself out in purple and scarlet (Bishops wear purple and Cardinals wear scarlet.)......however, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Rome may not actually be the best city that fits the criteria of the woman in Revelation.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> .....Now....Purple is associated with the Assyrians and Scarlet is associated with the Chaldeans. The Catholic church is now openly embracing their "Assyrian and Chaldean roots"..... <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>BUT I'm still not certain that Rome is the city spoken of. Istanbul, Turkey fits a lot of the woman's description also. Istanbul was founded on 7 hills while Rome has 7 hills yet not actually founded on those hills. Istanbul has trade....exotic markets....look into the information on it. You just might be amazed.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->The Catholic church has always influenced kings and rulers EVEN TODAY. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Every</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> world leader has visited and scheduled several meetings with the Late Pope John Paul II and just may do the same with current and/or future popes. Rome has influence in powerful circles; don't kid yourself. When I say Rome I mean the Vatican..... you may not see the vatican as a city but she does have her own currency and much more. She really is a city/state of her own.<br>
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Re: The Harlot & Babylon - Spiritual Entity & Physic

Postby Neurobod on Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:29 am

Thanks Watching & waiting & QLM...illuminaating & scholarly stuff. <br>
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My problem about the Catholic Church as it is today at least, is that although errant in doctrine, I don't see it as intrinsically evil or indeed as the Mother of abominations. Despite doctrinal errors I beleive John Paul was a man of God and "restrained" a lot of evil in the world (????"The Restrainer"). I am prepared to accept that the Harlot maybe the final one-world politically correct religion (that Tony Blair & others think would be a great idea to keep the peace), but I believe this is more likely to be the 2nd Beast in Revelation 13 who glorifies and makes an image of the first Beast.<br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Harlot ?=A Spiritual Principality</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> tied to A Physical Place ?= NYC today & Babylon in the past<br>
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Now The Harlot may well be a spiritual entity that controls or has power over NYC (ie a principality tied to a physical location). The location in this case is "figuratively called Babylon" (in the past that spiritual principality the Harlot may have then been well have been tied to and had power over the historical Babylon. Now I think the Statue of Liberty is the Clue that the Freemasonary connection is how this spiritual Principality gained power over NYC & America. Just like a hidden sin in an individual can allow a spiritual authority to have control of an area of their life.<br>
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No one took my bait about who the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Saints</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> might be (see my comment yesterday). This is where I am going to bring in the Statue of Liberty again......<br>
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Re: The Harlot & Babylon - Spiritual Entity & Physic

Postby watchingandwaiting on Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:12 pm

Well After looking over some of these posts again and Starting to look through some of The Prophecies concerning the harlot in the Old Testament I am coming across some Interesting/disturbing parallels concerning this matter of Who is the harlot.<br>
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First to adress some of the responses concerning my first post.<br>
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I too see that the Catholic church may not fit it all as yet, but...... why do you see a flaw in that the church does not deny the divinity of Christ -- as yet?<br>
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Honestly after writing the post I too thought of this(one of those foot in the mouth statements).So thanks for pointing that out...I'm glad someone caught that<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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and for some others..who figured out how to take truth over pain..they know..trust me..they know..if you think we are close to tribulation..you cant posibly say that Rome is babylon..that makes you sound not very smart.<br>
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but if you say we are 100 or some years away..yeah sure..Rome can become Babylon..they can build big seaport..and they can move WTC in Rome..and rome can become super military power..that will rule the kings of the earth..but as we stand..thats a lie..Rome rules nothing..<br>
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Now you have some very solid points,as for some of the things you are saying I can see alot of valid statements being made.<br>
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In response to your Quote,I'm just curious If you have been following The E.U. and their progress especially over the last year.Look at what recomendation666 is in the process of creating,one of these things being one of the largest military forces in the entire world The euro last I heard was outdoing the U.S dollar at i believe 2 to 1,one reason being is the outragous import export policies that they have put into effect.<br>
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Looking at another slant on this it seems possible that babylon is symbolic for an entire New World Order or One world government that being the endtime system set up by the AntiChrist.<br>
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Just allow for other possibilities besides one view of how this prophecy is going to play out.When any of us thouroughly become convinced that this is the answer and there is no other answer it narrows our insight into other possibilities.<br>
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As far as America being the Harlot I have to retract my previous statement;.I can say without a doubt AMERICA is not the Harlot.<br>
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Im not saying that America is 100% the harlot but the more I examine some of the Old Testament prophecies concerning this "harlot" some very interesting things turned up mainly in the book of Nahum.Mind you this is all theory and I'm opening these things up for discussion,so that we all can look over these scriptures,Here we go<br>
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Nah 3:10 Yet was she carried away, she went into captivity: her young children also were dashed in pieces at the top of all the streets: and they cast lots for her honourable men, and all her great men were bound in chains <br>
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her young children also were dashed in pieces at the top of all the streets, Is this a reference to abortion?/granted America is not the only place where abortions take place,follow me here;<br>
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Nah 3:13 Behold, thy people in the midst of thee are women: the gates of thy land shall be set wide open unto thine enemies: the fire shall devour thy bars.<br>
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Statue of Lib?In an odd way this does resemble The statue of Liberty considering it is what people overseas see when they come here before entering the U.S. on boat that is if they enter through New York.<br>
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shall be set wide open unto thine enemies: the fire shall devour thy bars.<br>
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Nah 3:16 Thou hast multiplied thy merchants above the stars of heaven: the cankerworm spoileth, and flieth away.<br>
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The resemblance to the Attack on 9/11/01 is somewhat eerie<br>
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3:17 Thy crowned are as the locusts, and thy captains as the great grasshoppers, which camp in the hedges in the cold day, but when the sun ariseth they flee away, and their place is not known where they are<br>
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Look at the meaning of Hedge here hrdg G@derah (ghed-ay-raw'); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 1448 <br>
wall, hedge<br>
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sheepfold (construct with 'sheep') <br>
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This seems somewhat remeniscent of how the activities of the Terrorists hidden on our own soil,and possibly the search for Bin Laden.<br>
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These our just some observations I made when looking at these verses and the meanings of some of the words when you use strongs to look at their meanings It gets a little weird,the similarities it bares.<br>
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The whole book of Nahum is definately full of references to the Harlot and the more we search these and all of the rest of the prophetic material concerning the "Harlot" in the Old Testament it seems to me that this question can be answered.Then again....<br>
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Maybe I'm reading to much into these verses,hard to say,Thats whay I thought I would present them here so that everyone else can take a look at these and give their feedback.<br>
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God Bless <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Harlot & Babylon - Spiritual Entity & Physic

Postby Be still on Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:00 pm

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Great thread. <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:maroon;">"Be still, and know that I am God! I am exalted among the nations, I am exalted in the earth." Psalm 46:10</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></p><i></i>
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The Harlot & The Saints & Nahum

Postby Neurobod on Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:37 pm

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Thanks W & W for those observations...you have certainly picked up on some very interesting links in Nahum...the verse Nah 3:16 "Thou hast multiplied thy merchants above the stars of heaven" also has an uncanny resemblance to Rev 18:15: "The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing"; and to Rev 18:17: "...And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off..."<br>
I havent looked at this fully yet, but it certainly seems to fit. Thanks for that!<br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Saints</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
Now to the thorny issue of the Saints. God's Holy, set apart ones. Firstly, if the Harlot is a spiritual entity then she may have already "drunk the blood" of God's Holy people Israel through Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar and and his sanctified people people in Christ through Rome under various Cesars especially Nero (if one accepts that Imperial Rome was also a further physical Babylon attached to the Harlot). However I, like you, am concerned at the huge numbers of Abortions in the US as well as in the UK and other Western Nations. If there is any <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>incocent</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> blood crying out to God surely it that of our salughtered unborn babies. But how could these babies possibly be the "saints"...surely this is stretching the interpretation too far. isn't it? While I was reading some of Rick Joyner's Visions (The Quest, The Final Call & other books), I was struck by the children he saw in the heavenly realms, some of whom were mighty spiritual warriors in the Kingdom of God. Various verses come to mind: unless ye become like little children...., the first will be last and the last first..etc etc. I recently began to think about predestination: Rom 8:29: "whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified". Could it be that some of those aborted babies were predestined to be God's Holy set apart ones<br>
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..they were certainly innocent and therefore holy in his eyes before they were born.... if their spirits are to be saved they are by definition saints anyway whatever you think of the predestination argument!!!!!!! There you have it: an explanation of the Harlot and the Beast <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>already</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> being drunk with the blood of the saints!<br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Harlot Rides The Beast</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
3 possibilities for deabate..(I suspect there are many more):<br>
1.The 7 head jare just a symbolic representative of Rome (built on 7 hills)<br>
2. G8 = G7 plus The US!! (The ten horns being Europe)<br>
3. The 7 Heads could be the 7 more major Arab countries (The ten horns again being Europe)<br>
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PS you guys<br>
I would be interested in some replies to the post I put up about the Mortal Wound that Healed & The Iron Curtain...under the Beast & Middle East watch section<br>
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Angela<br>
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Neurobod
 

Re: The Harlot & The Saints & Nahum

Postby watchingandwaiting on Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:17 pm

Abortion and the Saints,honestly I saw that parallel also especially when you look at how Christ spoke of the Children and the consequences of harming one of these.<br>
I also noticed something else you said also about the western world which points to the same thing that I heard in a teaching today about mystery babylon.It pointed out that the whole of western society and the entirety of its political,moral,religious and monetary system represented The Harlot and its move towards A one world Government system or new world order.<br>
Another interesting thing I came across this week in Matthew where Christ speaks about where the carcass lies,there the eagles will be gathered,which in some translations vulture was put instead.Looking at the greek meaning for carcass,one of them was that which has fallen(metaphoric)and eagle,one was thought to maybe be vulture because of the uncertainy of the eagle not being a carrion bird and the next definition pointed to a symbol of Romes millitary might or at least what I thought was another possibility,even a combination of both,The United States.<br>
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Well anyways this is all just speculation that I thought I would share.<br>
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God Bless <p></p><i></i>
watchingandwaiting
 

A Warning About The Destruction of the US

Postby Neurobod on Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:12 pm

A Warning<br>
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One of Al Quaeda's date's for detonating the Nukes it has smuggled into the US is 6th August:<br>
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PS<br>
The link between the Statue of Liberty and abortion is Libertas Goddess of Freedom, Freedom of Choice leading to "A woman's right to choose". There may also be some links to chid sacrifice, but i haven't checked this out.<br>
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Re: Nahum. His prophecy is about Ninevah and although all prophecy may be applied to any of us or any nation, I think Hosea 's prophecy about Israel playing the Harlot to God her husband is possibly more applicable.<br>
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Angela <p></p><i></i>
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babylonian faith

Postby Rustaveli on Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:04 pm

well i dont know if anyone has noticed..but freemasony is a babylonian cult..thats what it is.. freemasonry is babylon, same thing that was practiced in ancient babylon.. it has just changed the place but its the same thing in the spirit...they worship diferent gods..and demons..and thier king lucifer..they are occult..<br>
sadly these occult people are the ones in charge today..<br>
so ultematly satan is in charge..now Babylonian faith was brought here from Europe..mainly England..but it has found fine home in US.. and now freemasonry..along with democracy..has been exported..and forced on to world..they say in Russia its democracy...and that sounds just so funny to me..<br>
anyway this will be forced on to us too i would suggest..eather that or islam ..i still beleve islam is just perfect decoy..for AC to defeat..<br>
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Re: The Harlot & The Statue of Liberty & Freemasonar

Postby amazing grace 1969 on Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:28 pm

I understand pride is a bitter pill to swallow, but I wonder if other countries have prepared so carefully for the NWO. Check out the links below, you'll understand it better. The Rex 84 is forced labor just like what Hitler used. And we've been preparing for it since 1984.<br>
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which are already here and on sale and in use.<br>
an economic collapse and martial law will make these mandatory in order to buy or sell. So if everything is what it appears to be, why hasn't the rapture occured?<br>
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Re: who is the Harlot??

Postby amazing grace 1969 on Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:34 pm

the US is the harlot. Not exactly what any redblooded american wants to hear, but check out the links below, you'll see exactly WHY we've earned this title. <br>
An economic collapse, fall of babylon, the US controls most of the UNs money, so they don't mind Bill Clinton taking control of that.<br>
The economy falls, we disarm other countries, Lybia, North Korea have already made the list, we introduce the RFID, most people won't accept it, so under an economic collapse, uncle sam will enforce martial law, giving the federal government authority over business financial intitutions ect. and when any of this seems to be a problem we get a taste of Hitlers final solution that was set up in 1984.<br>
check it out.<br>
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Re: who is the Harlot??

Postby Taskmaster on Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:43 am

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Not that it makes a difference, per se, but the one article mentioned "panic from Y2K", so this is dated stuff. I'm not familar with the program, but apparently Google and Microsoft each have programs that let you see actual photos of an area, by providing the address. If there is an address for the California "prisons" go take a look see. Just a thought. <p></p><i></i>
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Rustaveli...

Postby sparklymomma on Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:44 am

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You are free to have your opinion...however, please don't equate someone's point of view with their intelligence. <p><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center">~~~~~~<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.geocities.com/sparklymomma/coffeecup.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END-->~~~~~~</div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--><br>
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Galatians 2:16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>but by the faith of Jesus Christ</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. <br>
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Re: Rustaveli...

Postby watchingandwaiting on Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:51 pm

Just a quick note.All false religions stemmed from Babylon not just freemasonry.Secondly the original question was who is the harlot.The Harlot represents a religious system that the beast will destroy.As far as the statue of liberty,abortion,and fremasonry,I'm sorry to say but it seems to me that this passage is being stretched to imply something that it is not saying.I say this after much careful consideration over this subject for the last couple of weeks. <br>
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God Bless <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Rustaveli...

Postby Sword of Geddon on Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:43 pm

I have to disagree with that. There was never any mention of false religions all being descended from the same source. And the Tower of Bab-Il could not historically, have been in Babylon, because Babylon did not yet exist. In fact, Bab-il predates even Sumer, in which Babylon was but one city during the Akkadian period.<br>
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But again, the US, as it currently stands, is Mystery Babylon in its first stages. Companys based in the US have had a consistant agenda of promoting immorality on young people for quite awile. Hollywood, music, even clothing. In fact, I think you'll find that Abortion and the Gay stuff going on orginate with corporations. They care only for money, and they are right that a conscence-less people would do more for profit. They control much, almost all, of the American media. These same corporations hate national borders, and are Multi-nationals. They are natural allies of the UN globalists and the Left. <br>
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I think you will find when the time comes that these same people will be eager slayers of the saints on behalf of the AC.<br>
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The devil likes to mimic god. Just as he, the AC and the false prophet are a mockup of the Holy Trinity, so too is Mystery Babylon a mockery of the Church, the bride of Christ. Mystery Babylon is satan's bride. And just as the true church spreads the gospel and light, so too shall Mystery Babylon spread lies and darkness. <p></p><i></i>
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