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Sue-M wrote:Look, Jesus told us that when Israel becomes a nation again, this generation will not pass away. Considering everything that is going on in the world, I have to say that, yes, I do believe we have entered into the 70th week. I can say this. I am not saying that God told me this. This is what I believe. This is exactly why I come here, in fact. Because, I believe it so much that I am now looking up!
Sue-M wrote:Smallbucket, what are you planning on doing, speaking about it in code then? I mean, why say, well.....we might be.....
Come on, be real. You believe it also. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here.
Sue-M wrote:Why can't people just say what they think? I don't care, if I am wrong, I will be a fool for Jesus.
I have actually been telling fellow Christians that I know or Christians that I meet that the time is very short. I don't say specifically that we are in the 70th week, because, it's odd for me to say that. I just say that I believe we have only a few years left before we see the AOD. People need to know that we are close. That's why Jesus told us to watch. That's why Jesus told us things to look for. So, that we would know that we are close. It's exciting. I can't wait to see Jesus! And I will shout it from the rooftops.
If you want to be careful with your words, go ahead. I'd rather make sure I warn everyone I can. I don't care if I am shamed about this. It's too important.
smackbucket wrote:Sue-M wrote:Why can't people just say what they think? I don't care, if I am wrong, I will be a fool for Jesus.
I have actually been telling fellow Christians that I know or Christians that I meet that the time is very short. I don't say specifically that we are in the 70th week, because, it's odd for me to say that. I just say that I believe we have only a few years left before we see the AOD. People need to know that we are close. That's why Jesus told us to watch. That's why Jesus told us things to look for. So, that we would know that we are close. It's exciting. I can't wait to see Jesus! And I will shout it from the rooftops.
If you want to be careful with your words, go ahead. I'd rather make sure I warn everyone I can. I don't care if I am shamed about this. It's too important.
Not sure what you're not understanding. I'm a very clear communicator. I never said that you shouldn't tell people what you think. But if a Christian tells people, especially nonbelievers, that Christ WILL come in less than seven years from now, they are unwise (unless God CLEARLY spoke to them). We don't have the data for that kind of bold statement. If a person says this and it doesn't come to pass, they are a false prophet, not simply a "fool for Jesus," as you lightly put it. We don't need more false prophets.
shorttribber wrote:Hi smackbucket---------------I believe Jesus fulfilled the first 3.5 years of Dan 70th week @ His ministry--------we are now in "THE MIDST" a 2000 year approx. "MIDST" of that final week-----------I believe there remains only 3.5 years (LAST HALF) of the 70th week to be fulfilled-----along with 45 more days of Gods wrath (ref. Dan.12 last couple verses).----------------------------blessings
Isreal became a nation in 1948. Anyone who was born in 1948 is right now 59 years old. What is the average life span, 70? So, that means at most 10 years.
Don't let a "rapture" belief keep you from being prepared.
Isreal has the plans ready to build the 3rd Temple.
Do you realize that once the Temple is built and they start sacrificing...
the EU is right now planning for the mark of the beast?
JS confirmed a covent with Israel and others
carpentersdaughter wrote:Question:
What is the difference between someone who "Comes in the name of the Lord, and say thus sayeth the Lord?"
From
Someone who has a strong belief that something is going to happen or is happening?
Do each of these constitute a false prophet?
As far as being in the seventieth week, I don't have a clue. Certain other things would have to happen before I can believe that.
I believe all the pieces of the puzzle are in front of us and we can see a piture, but the picture has not been conected together to make that perfect or complete picture. Make any sense?
smackbucket wrote:
Isreal became a nation in 1948. Anyone who was born in 1948 is right now 59 years old. What is the average life span, 70? So, that means at most 10 years.
You need to reread my response to this claim you're making.
The fig tree in Matt. 24:32 is not a symbolic message speaking of the Jews obtaining Israel. It is simply a parable, just as Jesus said it was:
Sue-M wrote:Simply a parable! God help you, smallbucket. Why do you even bother to believe that Jesus died for our sins? Do you believe the parable of the seeds? Or maybe that is just a story about seeds? Maybe, Jesus was just telling us how to plant a garden?
Sue-M wrote:In Mark 11:13 Jesus shook the fig tree and said that it would die. This symbolizes that Israel has been blinded. In fact, not only does this speak about Israel, but, specifically, the temple. Read the scripture. But, to you, it probably means that your God kills trees that He doesn't like.
Sue-M wrote:In Jeremiah 24, God specifically tells us that figs are referring to Israel. Read this.
Sue-M wrote:Now if you still wish to believe that it was just a story about trees, then you should read these scriptures, Luke 12:54-56. This is a very good scripture.
You hypocrites! You know how to analyze the appearance of the earth and the sky, but why do you not analyze this present time? (Luke 12:56)
Sue-M wrote:I will think what I will think about you.
smackbucket wrote:Arfur,
Maybe you believe what I wrote above, but we do not agree on the final outcome. I believe that temple will be literal, and I have no doubt that God will again chose a remnant of Israel for Himself.
Dave
smackbucket wrote:So the clear words of the scripture are never to interpreted for what they literally say? And if a person sees it for what it literally says they must not have the spirit and therefore cannot discern the REAL meaning?
Sue M wrote:smallbucket
smackbucket wrote:It's not a covenant, as of yet, that has accomplished anything that the scripture says must be accomplished by the covenant. It MAY be the covenant, but until we have genuine verification we cannot know for sure.
Sue, if you are telling people that it's a fact, you are even going against the ways of good ol' Herb. I've read his stuff off and on for a year or so, and he never said such things like you are saying. He was watching intently, but he was not sounding the alarm that it was time to proclaim to the world that it is truly upon us.
Arfur wrote:Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
These constructions of scripture which teach that the Jews will build a temple and that the anti-christ will defile it , is falsehood.
God does not use unbelievers to build anything Holy that it could be defiled.
Arfur wrote:smackbucket wrote:Arfur,
Maybe you believe what I wrote above, but we do not agree on the final outcome. I believe that temple will be literal, and I have no doubt that God will again chose a remnant of Israel for Himself.
Dave
Well, that would be the natural reading of it, and if the natural reading of it is sufficient to understand the truth of it then this scripture is a lie--
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Arfur.
Know and understand this:
From the issuing of the decree
to restore and rebuild Jerusalem
until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes,
there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.'
It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.
After the sixty-two 'sevens,'
the Anointed One will be cut off (crucified)
and will have nothing.
Daniel 9
Sue-M wrote:Smackbucket, I am sorry that I called you "small" bucket. I didn't do it on purpose. I honestly saw "small" when I looked at your name. But, to tell you the truth. I really don't like calling someone "smack". Why in the world would you name yourself that?
I got angry at you because you have no right to tell anyone what you think they can say and can't say. For all you know, we might be in the 70th week.
You have no right to tell anyone what they should be saying.
Also, I don't like how you have spoken about God's Word as merely "parables". If these are merely parables to you, then do you know what that means? Jesus said that He spoke in parables so that those that were to be saved would understand and those that are perishing would not understand. They are not merely parables.
I don't really want to discuss this with you because whenever anyone talks about God's Word that way, it gets me very angry. And I don't want to be angry.
So, just have a nice day. And, again, I didn't mean to call you by the wrong name. Sorry about that.
The return of Jews to the land of Israel now is mans idea.
The Israel of God believes God. The Jews do not.
The arguement given is that they will believe.
However the bible shows that Christ gathers believers not unbelievers and it occurs at and after His return and not before.--
Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
These constructions of scripture which teach that the Jews will build a temple and that the anti-christ will defile it , is falsehood.
God does not use unbelievers to build anything Holy that it could be defiled.
1I say then, God has not (A)rejected His people, has He? (B)May it never be! For (C)I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God (D)has not rejected His people whom He (E)foreknew (F)Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
3"Lord, (G)THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE."
4But what is the divine response to him? "(H)I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL."
5In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time (I)a remnant according to God's gracious choice.
6But (J)if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
7What then? What (K)Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were (L)hardened;
8just as it is written,
"(M)GOD GAVE THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR,
EYES TO SEE NOT AND EARS TO HEAR NOT,
DOWN TO THIS VERY DAY."
9And David says,
"(N)LET THEIR TABLE BECOME A SNARE AND A TRAP,
AND A STUMBLING BLOCK AND A RETRIBUTION TO THEM.
10"(O)LET THEIR EYES BE DARKENED TO SEE NOT,
AND BEND THEIR BACKS FOREVER."
11I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? (Q)May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.
12Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!
13But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
14if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.
15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.
17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."
20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you (AF)stand by your faith (Do not be conceited, but fear;
21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
23And they also, (AK)if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
24For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
25For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
"(AQ)THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
27"(AR)THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
(AS)WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
28From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;
29for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
30For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience,
31so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.
32For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.
33Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!
34For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR?
35Or WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN?
36For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things To Him be the glory forever. Amen.
smackbucket wrote:torturing the text
Wait, so are you denying the miraculous history of the Jewish people over the last 2,000 years? Every major Satan-empowered empire has tried to wipe out the Jews and in the mystery of God they are still here.
And now, after all this time, they now are in their biblical homeland. Come on now, not every promise made to physical Israel just got spiritualized when Christ got a new bride that included Gentiles. And you know what? His plan isn't finished yet with them. For the first time since their "partial hardening" Jews are coming to Christ all over the world, and the number are increasing.
Don't forget that there are natural and spiritual readings of all Scripture. It means what it says, but as we press into the things of Christ, a passage of Scripture gains greater meaning because the Holy Spirit is able to show us more.
I know, I didn't want to assault you with scripture, but it's clear that God still has a plan of redemption for physical Israel that have Abraham's blood in their veins.
Now, how is it possible for the "third temple" to be defiled if the third temple is entirely spiritual? The spiritual body of Christ exists beyond time, space, and impurity, but the physical manifestation of it can be impacted by these things. And how can this be rectified with the passages in Daniel that clearly spell out there animal sacrifices will be stopped at the Abomination of Desolation?
25For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
"THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
27"THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
28From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;
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