War with Iran

[OneDay]

Report: Hamas, Iran coordinate response to Israel strike
Lebanese newspaper al-Mustaqbal reported Tuesday that the purpose of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh and Mahmoud al-Zahar's recent visit to Iran was to define Gaza's role in the case Israel attacks Iran's nuclear facilities.
Hamas Prime Minister in Gaza Haniyeh visited Tehran last February while al-Zahar arrived at the Iranian capital earlier this month. According to the report, the parties discussed the introduction of missiles into the Gaza Strip in preparation for a conflict with Israel, which would enable Hamas to retaliate with rocket fire. Hamas has previously declared it will not take part in a conflict between Israel and Iran.
read more: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 10,00.html

[mrgravyard49]

Check this out,, Obama is helping his muslim friends..
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 36,00.html


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Insead of bombing Iran, why not just set off a EMP?

[OneDay]

Yes he is!

Joel Rosenberg, the article found on the left of the webpage, asks why Putin of Russia wants to visit Israel? It is interesting President Obama wants to visit Israel in June/July also, and Putin's expected visit in June is more than mere coincidence with Obama's planned visit. Who else will visit Israel this summer? It seems to me the visits are happening at a time when Israel is preparing for an attack on Iran. There seems to be a concerted effort to hinder Israel's attack on Iran so that Israel's enemies can prepare for their own attack. In time, we will see the attack on the Jewish state on the hills of Israel, and no one will come to their defense but God. So many people see Israel as the problem, but they are not, they have been the solution for generations. Yes, they have sinned, and we all have. We all, including Israel, have fallen way short of the Glory of God. However, God must choose a people to bring about His Son to a sinful world. God chose Jacob, Abraham's descendent to bring about a people to bring salvation to mankind. As Israel wrestles with God today, Jacob once wrestled with God, and after the event Jacob's name was soon changed to Israel for he saw the Preincarnate Christ.
The visits of world leaders to Israel are not what they seem on the surface. We will be told to the visits are to honor Israel, but they will be used to put the pieces together to annihilate Israel. No one wants war, but a small nation like Israel must protect themselves, and we as Christians are called to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and pray for the salvation of the Jews. The world powers are using their influence to destroy the Jewish race, and in the same way Christians who follow Christ in humbleness. In time, the God tells us the Antichrist and his forces will try to exterminate all Jews and Christians. That time may be closer than we think. Time will tell.

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Reported news says Israel's attack on Iran is put on hold for a while, until next year. Don't read too much in these reports. Propaganda is everywhere before, during, and after war. It is not in me to want war, but according to the Bible war is inevitable not because God wants it, but because man wants it. If it wasn't for Iran's hatred of the Jews, Israel would not even think about war. However, the world is a dangerous place, and war is in the air.

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I don't think the enemies of Israel are ready just yet to overtake the Jewish state, but I do not have any inside information on that. What I do know is the nations of the world are against the Jewish state more than in a generation. The last sentence in the insert below tells us the United States is ready to blame Israel for any Middle East conflagration. Don't get into the deception of the world.

http://www.pastorbrianroberts.com/
NEWS LINK

At 8:58 P.M. on Tuesday, Israel's 2012 war against Iran came to a quiet end. The capricious plans for a huge aerial attack were returned to the deep recesses of safes and hearts. The war may not have been canceled but it has certainly been postponed. For a while, at least, we can sound the all clear: It won't happen this year. Until further notice, Israel Air Force Flight 007 will not be taking off.



According to a war simulation conducted by the U.S. Central Command, the Iranians could kill 200 Americans with a single missile response to an Israeli attack. An investigative committee would not spare any admiral or general, minister or president. The meaning of this U.S. scenario is that the blood of these 200 would be on Israel's hands.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... t-1.421348

[mrgravyard49]

I still believe Bibi will go after Iran, and I think VERY Soon. Bibi is no fool and he knows whats going on.. He knows Obama doesnt like Israel and Obama will get his 2ed term. So before that and before the June Visits I see Bibi attacking Iran.. Tho I still wonder,, Why not just an EMP?
Anyone else think this all happens before June?

[OneDay]

Could very well be! I also think that if Israel waits to attack, this will embolden her neighbors to attack.
Then again, if she does attack, and the world comes down on her, then this will embolden her enemies to attack.
Prophecy playing out right before our ey es!

[OneDay]

Khamenei: Syria's Anti-Israel, So We'll Defend It
Iran will defend the Syrian regime due to its anti-Israeli stance, the Islamic Republic’s supreme leader said on Thursday.

According to a report in The Daily Star, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei made the comments during a meeting with visiting Turkish prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

“Iran will defend Syria because of its support for the anti-Zionist regime resistance,” Khamenei was quoted as having said as he received Erdogan in the northeastern city of Mashhad.

The supreme leader reiterated Tehran's staunch rejection of foreign intervention in Syria, saying, “We are strongly opposed to any interference by foreign forces in the internal affairs of Syria... the reforms which have begun there should continue.”
read more: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... 3W6ktWrHQI

[OneDay]

Bolton accuses administration of leaking story on Israeli planning along Iran border

Former U.S. diplomat John Bolton alleged Thursday that the Obama administration leaked a story about covert Israeli activity in order to foil potential plans by the country to attack Iran's nuclear program.

Bolton, who served as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations in the George W. Bush administration, was responding to an article in Foreign Policy magazine that quoted government sources claiming Israel had been granted access to airfields in Azerbaijan -- along Iran's northern border.

The article did not state exactly what the Israelis' intentions were, but it suggested it could point to a possible strike on Iran.

"I think this leak today is part of the administration's campaign against an Israeli attack," Bolton claimed on Fox News.

The White House did not respond to Bolton's claims Thursday.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03 ... z1qbqlPOCC

[clang]

BiBi is a smart guy, way smarter than the POTUS. I am beginning to think that he is leaking info to see what Obama and his administration will do with it. I'm sure Netanyahu knows he can't trust this president so it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out they are leaking bad intelligence.

[OneDay]

Report: Iranian cell planning attacks 'very soon'
Intelligence sources told Britain's Sky News that intelligence agencies are still trying to locate members of an Iranian cell secretly operating in Turkey under orders to attack Jewish, Israeli and Western targets in the country.



According to the report, the cell is part of Unit 400 – an al-Quds Brigade force answerable to Iranian supreme leader Ali Khamenei. The sources estimated that preparations have reached an advanced stage and that the plot will be carried out very soon.
read more: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 09,00.html

[OneDay]

By securing Assad and its alliance, Iran gains upper hand for nuclear talks
Turkish prime minister Tayyip Erdogan’s talks with Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei Thursday, March 29 were closed to the press, but a statement published on Khamenei's official website said he told Erdoğan that Iran strongly opposes any foreign intervention in Syria's conflict and will defend Damascus so that it can continue to be a center of “resistance” against Israel.
Twelve hours later, Iran’s Lebanese stooge, Hizballah’s Hassan Nasrallah, interrupted his Friday night sermon to declare triumphantly: “The die in Syria is cast. Talk of military intervention is over. There is no more talk about arming the opposition or about toppling the regime!”
Saturday, the Syrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdisi announced, “The battle to topple the state is over, and the battle to solidify stability and move towards a renewed Syria has begun.”
read more: http://www.debka.com/article/21881/

[OneDay]

from above article:
Iran has come out of the woods firmly in position at the head of its bloc, now cemented by Assad’s defeat of his foes. Tehran’s hand is much strengthened for the coming nuclear talks between Iran and the Six Powers due to start in two weeks. Washington will have to pay for any Iranian concessions by starting the process of unwinding sanctions.
Responding to this situation during his visit to Tehran, March 28-29, Erdogan played both ends against the middle: He made the gesture to Obama whom he had just met in Seoul of cutting down Turkey’s purchases of Iranian oil by one fifth. At the same time, he signed lucrative deals with Iran for expanding the volume of their trade to $35 billion over the coming years.
Certain that sooner or later, Washington would slot Turkey onto the list of nations exempted from implementing the oil embargo against Iran, the Turkish prime minister could afford to defy US financial sanctions against the Islamic Republic.
And Tehran could afford to ignore as harmless the White House announcement Friday that the US would “go forward with sanctions on foreign banks continue to buy oil from Iran and further isolate Iran’s central bank.”
Khamenei listened carefully to the message Erdogan presented him from the US president. But he did not send back an answer. He evidently meant to leave Obama on tenterhooks until the nuclear talks begin next month.

[Tevye]

According to the report, the briefing dealt with the most extreme scenario and referred to a war
that may take place in 2012, before the Iron Dome anti-missile system is fully deployed. The ministers
were reportedly informed that in three weeks of constant war, thousands of rockets would land in Israel,
mostly from Lebanon and Syria and some from Gaza.

The ministers were told during the briefing that missiles from Iran may land
in Israel as well, but that Iran’s ability in terms of conventional missiles is not great.
israelnationalnews.com

[Tevye]

Netanyahu: We will strike
those who threaten to attack Israel

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu held a press conference on Tuesday to mark three years since
his coalition took office. "We will attack those who threaten to attack us," he said, referring not only
to the Iranian threat but to the threats of rockets from the Gaza Strip. www.haaretz.com/news

[Tevye]

Iran Bellicose Ahead of Nuclear Talks

A top Iranian general says no nation would 'dare' attack Iran
as the US deploys a second carrier group...
...continued at israelnationalnews.com/News

[Tevye]

Ten members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard die mysteriously
According to report by Intelligence Online, the lack of reporting on the deaths has led
observers to question whether the deaths were result of internal struggle over Iran’s underground
www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east

[OneDay]

Israel revives military option
Israel has withdrawn its pledge to US President Barack Obama not to strike Iran’s nuclear sites before the November presidential election after he rejected its minimal demands for nuclear negotiations with Iran. This is reported exclusively by debkafile’s Washington sources.

In public, Israeli ministers still talk as though they believe in results from the Six-Power talks with Iran, which Thursday May 24 limped into their second day in Baghdad with the parties still miles apart. But the presidential veto has essentially cast Israel outside the loop of influence on the outcome of diplomacy.
more: http://www.debka.com/article/22024/Isra ... ds-of-Iran

[OneDay]

Israel takes back promise to Obama not to attack Iran before the election

Sources from inside Washington, DC are telling the international media that Israeli leadership is upset with US President Barack Obama’s handling of Iran’s alleged nuclear threat and may take military action before the November election.

The Debka news agency quotes sources from America’s capital that say Israel has withdrawn its earlier promise to avoid striking Iran before the upcoming US presidential election this fall. The reason, reports Debka, heavily revolves around President Obama’s refusal to side with Israel’s demands in dealing with the rumored emerging threat of a nuclear program in Iran.

Previously, authorities in Israel told the White House that they would refrain from striking Iran until after Election Day as to avoid marring the race by possibly involving the US in an international war. Because President Obama has not put his foot down on Iran’s alleged nuclear warhead procurement plan, Israeli officials are not reportedly willing to attack at any moment.
more: http://rt.com/usa/news/israel-obama-iran-nuclear-131/

[Hisown]

I quote
1whowaits


Thank-you all for "pacing the wall "


From a thought posted at the beginning of this post.

"So considering the Hebrew calendar and the possible references to timing in these scriptures, it may be that the sequence could be the destruction of Damascus in the spring, the destruction of Babylon in the summer, followed by Gog-Magog in the fall."


Mystery Babylon next? I fear so yes


http://www.jpost.com/VideoArticles/Vide ... ?id=271602

[Tevye]

Tehran – In an apparent slip-up, an Iranian general has admitted that
special forces have been deployed from Tehran to Syria
to assist the Assad regime. link

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Tuesday that he would support a no-fly and no-drive zone in Syria, suggesting
the U.S. faces a greater call to get involved militarily in Syria than it did
in Libya last year. link

[Exit40]

I think the slaughter of 109 people, mostly women and children, in a town near Homs Sunday could be the event that triggers a greater response from the world. Everyone is either getting used to the killing or they are becoming so appalled and aggravated they feel the need to do something is getting greater by the moment. They want this to stop.

God Bless

David

[OneDay]

yes, that was horrendous!

I think the slaughter of 109 people, mostly women and children, in a town near Homs Sunday could be the event that triggers a greater response from the world. Everyone is either getting used to the killing or they are becoming so appalled and aggravated they feel the need to do something is getting greater by the moment. They want this to stop.

[OneDay]

Sophisticated Virus Infects Computers in Iran, Mideast
Thousands of computers in Iran belonging to government agencies and private companies have been infected with a highly sophisticated virus, dubbed Flame, in the latest cyberstrike against the Islamic Republic, said cybersecurity experts and Iran's telecommunications ministry.

The malware was widely detected across the Middle East in Syria, Israel and the Palestinian Authority, as well as in other parts of the world, but Iran has the largest number of infected computers, experts said.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... TopStories

[OneDay]

Today's Broadcast

Tuesday May 29, 2012

Guest: John Galt

Topic: Commentator John Galt talks about some of the latest US and global developments in a wide open discussion today. A few of the topics discussed are the ongoing global financial crisis, the seriousness of the Fukushima disaster, the march towards war in the Middle East, and possible civil unrest this year in the US
http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm
click on blue arrow
start ar about 10 minute mark...

[OneDay]

Two radical developments arising from the Syrian conflict are revealed by debkafile: In an astonishing about face, Turkey has just turned away from its 14-month support for the anti-Assad revolt alongside the West and made common cause with Russia, i.e. Bashar Assad. Further exacerbating fears of a "proxy war" involving Israel, Iran and Syria, the Lebanese Hizballah is getting ready to bring its Scud D missiles, which can reach any point in Israel, and other advanced weapons, including anti-air missiles, out of secret storage in Syria and transfer them across the border to Lebanon. Two years ago, Israel issued an ultimatum through Washington that the Scuds would be destroyed if they were moved over to Hizballah's launching pads in Lebanon.

The Lebanese Shiite group has since kept its most advanced hardware stashed at the Syrian Al Hame and Al Zabadani military bases near Damascus.

Now that Syrian rebel attacks are closing in on Syrian military targets, Tehran and Hizballah leaders are working on plans to get them across into Lebanon without exposing them to Israeli attack.

http://www.debka.com/article/22053/Turk ... g-Lebanon-

[OneDay]

More from Pastor Brian:

Major development in the Middle East as Turkey has surprised the West and has joined an alliance consisting of Russia and Iran, spreading concern in Israel that something may be afoot. Ezekiel 38/39 speaks of an alliance spoken above with support from Northern Sudan and Libya. As the last days alliance is taking shape very rapidly we continue to see economic strains throughout the world. Russian and Iranian influence is already in Syria, and Turkish soldiers are just across the border. It will not take much to bring all three armies together in a devastating defeat in Israel. I believe the talk of a Syrian civil war by Russia may be an excuse to bring the alliance close to Israel.

I read where the world will experience a short deflationary stage then a damaging inflationary stage as the economic situation worsens throughout the world. God is moving, and this short but powerful commentary says it all. Gog is coming to Israel, and God will save His people from the evil alliance before us. As the mark of the beast monetary system is being developed, the enemies of Israel are readying their evil plan.



Bro. Brian

http://pastorbrianroberts.com/

[Exit40]

It doesn't seem likely Turkey has switched sides openly. While their direction is also eastward, it is in the west where they are experiencing their biggest growth, and influence. With new open chapters into their EU ascension, Obama giving the keys to the ME kingdom, with reservations, Turkeys solid relationships with other sunni nations like Qatar and Saudi Arabia, and a lot of trouble with the shiite Iraq, Iran, elements in Syria and Lebanon. Those nations are the nations Russia wants to keep involved with. Why ? To keep the west, the US especially, occupied with problems there, to the extent they are limited in the Caucasus, east Europe, and the northern stans, including Armenia. If gog/magog were to happen in the very near future I would suppose Russia will be largely left out, except possibly to provide arms. I am seriously doubtful they would commit ground troops or air support for fear of western retaliation, the stretch of distance, and a lack of support for possibly another protracted war in the ME, for them to get so involved. Israel is an ally of Russia too, albeit a minor ally when compared to the where and why of Russian influence.

Here is an article that reveals more about the Turkey/Russia situation.

Turkey, Russia at odds over Middle East, Caucasus

God Bless

David

[Tevye]

Iran on verge of disaster

Iranian economy nearing collapse as world continues to tighten its economic grip.

Never withdraw into a fortress, Machiavelli warned. Those who do so are trapped within their own walls
and have nowhere to run. They are surrounded, thereby becoming an easy target for their enemies. Yet Iran
is doing the exact opposite of this advice. It withdraws into itself, thereby turning into an isolated pariah state
that experiences the kind of economic blows no country has experienced since World War II.
ynetnews.com/articles

"He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women,
nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. Instead of them,
he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his fathers..."
Daniel chapter 11

Interesting parallel...

[OneDay]

Iranian officer: Tehran developing nuclear sub
Naval officer tells semi-official news agency Iran is in initial phases of designing nuclear-powered submarines, stresses right to do so.
A senior Iranian Navy commander claimed that the country is in the initial phases of domestically designing a nuclear-powered submarine, the semi-official Fars news agency reported Tuesday.

Iran's Lieutenant Commander of the Navy for Technical Affairs Rear Admiral Abbas Zamini boasted of Iran's previous experience in designing and manufacturing submarines, according to the report.
continues: http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News ... ?id=273572

[OneDay]

US, EU fake Iran’s consent to discussing enrichment to fend off Israeli action
A spokesman for EU foreign executive Catherine Ashton, who heads the six-power group in nuclear negotiations with Iran, reported Monday night, June 11, that Tehran is now willing to discuss high-grade uranium enrichment in the next round of nuclear talks in Moscow on June 18-19.

The claim is false. Tehran consistently refuses to discuss its “right to enrichment” and threatened not to turn up for the Moscow session after US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton demanded last week that Iran come to the table with “concrete plans” for curbing uranium enrichment up to 20 percent purity.
Iran has not backtracked: Ashton got nothing new from an hour of tense conversation with senior negotiator Saeed Jalili and had to be satisfied with issuing the noncommittal statement, “The Iranians agreed on the need for Iran to engage on the (six powers') proposals, which address its concerns on the exclusively peaceful nature of the Iranian nuclear program."
continues: http://www.debka.com/article/22075/US-E ... eli-action

[Tevye]

Iran Warns Turkey Against Deploying Patriots

The chief of staff of Iran's armed forces says Turkey's
deployment of Patriot missiles will "create a world war"
israelnationalnews.com/News

[xdrifter]

Postby Resurrection Torchlight on Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:01 am

I think people have to recognize what the United States represents in the eyes of God, what adultery means in a spiritual and national sense, and not allow ones love of country to cloud their minds from seeing the truth.



The United States was never nationally considered God's people, though many Christians and so called Christians do live here. Don't forget that Europe also had and has many so-called Christians, Africa as well, we tend to look at prophetic scriptures in light of our current circumstances, but many countries today could spiritually be considered to be like harlots in God's eyes, spiritually speaking, America is but one of many. It is not what we think could fit with prophecy, but what does scripture actually say? How does the word of God define who acted as a harlot? Scriptures do call other cities a harlot, Nineveh for instance and Tyre, but only one city that was ever called a harlot by God, and a mother of harlots fits with all the criteria in Revelation, and that is Jerusalem.

But as for the topic of this thread- it certainly does seem that a lot of saber rattling is going on, though this has been the case for many years now, time will tell what comes of it, something will happen eventually. I feel for those Iranians suffering because of their leaders and because of the sanctions. I pray that God will raise up witnesses for Christ among them and that many as a result will be saved.


RT

I was going through this thread tonight after having a conversation with a Brother on this subject, and noticed this. I am shocked that anyone could actually believe that the United States of America was not as "a Nation considered Gods people". A basic understanding of America's History reads like the books of Samuel through Kings, only with more modern weapons, larger armies and new players. Like Saul and King David the odds were stacked heavily against the likes of George Washington, and other founding Fathers; but even though they were outmatched Militarily just as GOD helped Saul, then later David, so to He helped the American Founders because of their Faith in Him. It was only through the power of His Divine Providence, not the actions of those men on their own that the United States of America won her Freedom.

For the sake of time, this post will be quick and dirty, only to offer ample evidence in support of the fact that America was founded on Christian principals, by men of God, and like Israel was blessed and sustained as a result.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this - that it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." - John Quincy Adams

"The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests." - Andrew Jackson

"We have staked the future of American civilization upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." - James Madison

"It can not be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions but on the gospel of Jesus Christ." - Patrick Henry

"The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles...to this we owe our free constitutions of government." - Noah Webster

"Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed the conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?" - Thomas Jefferson

"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly implore His protection and favor." - George Washington

"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams


http://www.therealamericanhis-story.com/gw

"As I have heard since my arrival at this place [Fort Cumberland], a circumstantial account of my death and dying speech, I take this early opportunity of contradicting the first, and of assuring you that I have not as yet composed the latter. But, by the all-powerful dispensations of Providence, I have been protected beyond all human probability or expectation; for I had four bullets through my coat, and two horses shot under me, yet escaped unhurt, although death was leveling my companions on every side of me!" George Washington

But wait, it gets even better. 15 years later, an old respected Indian Chief sought out council with Washington, when he heard that he was in the area. Through an interpreter he explained that he had set out on a long journey to meet Washington personally, and to speak to him about the battle 15 years earlier. He said:

"I am a cheif and ruler over my tribes. My influence extends to the waters of the great lakes and to the far blue mountains. I have traveled a long and weary path that I might see the young warrior of the great battle. It was on the day when the white man's blood mixed with the streams of our forest that I first beheld this chief [Washington]. I called to my young men and said, mark yon tall and daring warrior? He is not of the red-coat tribe--he hath an Indian's wisdom, and his warriors fight as we do--himself is alone exposed. Quick, let your aim be certain, and he dies. Our rifles were leveled, rifles which, but for you, knew not how to miss--'twas all in vain, a power mightier far than we, shielded you. Seeing you were under the special guardship of the Great Spirit, we immediately ceased to fire at you. I am old and soon shall be gathered to the great council fire of my fathers in the land of shades, but ere I go, there is something bids me speak in the voice of prophecy. Listen! The Great Spirit protects that man [pointing at Washington], and guides his destinies--he will become the chief of nations, and a people yet unborn will hail him as the founder of a mighty empire. I am come to pay homage to the man who is the particular favorite of Heaven, and who can never die in battle."

[Tevye]

Thank you for sharing that xdrifter!
I love how they spoke in those times.

"by the all-powerful dispensations of Providence"

"I have been protected beyond
all human probability or expectation"
- George Washington

A real blessing to be thankful for...
and he was... as seen here:

"Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge
the providence of almighty God, to obey his will,
to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to
implore his protection and favor..."
washingtontimes.com/news

...humbly to implor His protection...and favor...

Sounds like the founder of this great nation
established for the leaders of the nation to pray.
(to one almighty God) ...only.

"...in the year of our Lord 1789."

Blessed be the name
of the Lord God Almighty!

[Resurrection Torchlight]

I was going through this thread tonight after having a conversation with a Brother on this subject, and noticed this. I am shocked that anyone could actually believe that the United States of America was not as "a Nation considered Gods people". A basic understanding of America's History reads like the books of Samuel through Kings, only with more modern weapons, larger armies and new players. Like Saul and King David the odds were stacked heavily against the likes of George Washington, and other founding Fathers; but even though they were outmatched Militarily just as GOD helped Saul, then later David, so to He helped the American Founders because of their Faith in Him. It was only through the power of His Divine Providence, not the actions of those men on their own that the United States of America won her Freedom.

Hi Xdrifter,

I was not making the claim that America wasn't founded under Godly principles and leaders, I in fact said that there are many believers here in America, and I believe there were many true men and women of God who were here leading and following when this country was founded. But the nation of "America" is/was not God's people like the nation of "Israel" was considered God's people, or like the Church is today considered God's people. That was my point. The discussion led to some making the claim that America is the "Harlot" that scripture speaks of. But Scripturally it is Israel that played the Harlot, that was the mother of Harlots. Israel gave rise to two harlot "daughters" specifically spelled out succinctly in scripture-(Ezekiel 23:4) Oholah (Samaria) and Oholibah (Jerusalem), see also Ezekiel 16, Sodom is also mentioned as one of the Harlot daughters.

This is what the Lord said concerning Jerusalem:

Ezekiel 16:34-38
34 “Thus you are different from those women in your harlotries, in that no one plays the harlot as you do, because you give money and no money is given you; thus you are different.”
35 Therefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord.
36 Thus says the Lord God, “Because your lewdness was poured out and your nakedness uncovered through your harlotries with your lovers and with all your detestable idols, and because of the blood of your sons which you gave to idols,
37 therefore, behold, I will gather all your lovers with whom you took pleasure, even all those whom you loved and all those whom you hated. So I will gather them against you from every direction and expose your nakedness to them that they may see all your nakedness.
38 “Thus I will judge you like women who commit adultery or shed blood are judged; and I will bring on you the blood of wrath and jealousy.

Just because our Nation's history may read like the book of Samuel, doesn't mean it is the book of Samuel. And yes God did and still is in the business of aiding those people who put their trust in Him. But there is a difference between individuals and nations. America is not the "apple of God's eye", but Jerusalem is (Zechariah 2:8).

RT

[xdrifter]

Gods Word in fact says that He will treat other Nations as He does End Time Israel. Israel has also had it's fair share of punishment from God when they back peddled and forgot who the author of their Salvation was.


Jer 12:15 But later, I will have pity on these nations and bring them back to their own lands. Jer 12:16 They once taught my people to worship Baal. But if they admit I am the only true God, and if they let my people teach them how to worship me, these nations will also become my people. Jer 12:17 However, if they don't listen to me, I will uproot them from their lands and completely destroy them. I, the LORD, have spoken.


ze 14:13 Ezekiel, son of man, suppose an entire nation sins against me, and I punish it by destroying the crops and letting its people and livestock starve to death.

Eze 14:14 Even if Noah, Daniel, and Job were living in that nation, their faithfulness would not save anyone but themselves.

Eze 14:15 Or suppose I punish a nation by sending wild animals to eat people and scare away every passerby, so that the land becomes a barren desert.

Eze 14:16 As surely as I live, I promise that even if these three men lived in that nation, their own children would not be spared. The three men would live, but the land would be an empty desert.

Eze 14:17 Or suppose I send an enemy to attack a sinful nation and kill its people and livestock.

Eze 14:18 If these three men were in that nation when I punished it, not even their children would be spared. Only the three men would live.

Eze 14:19 And suppose I am so angry that I send a deadly disease to wipe out the people and livestock of a sinful nation.

Eze 14:20 Again, even if Noah, Daniel, and Job were living there, I, the LORD, promise that the children of these faithful men would also die. Only the three of them would be spared.

Eze 14:21 I am the LORD God, and I promise to punish Jerusalem severely. I will send war, starvation, wild animals, and deadly disease to slaughter its people and livestock.

Eze 14:22 And those who survive will be taken from their country and led here to Babylonia. Ezekiel, when you see how sinful they are, you will know why I did all these things to Jerusalem.

Eze 14:23 You will be convinced that I, the LORD God, was right in doing what I did.

[Resurrection Torchlight]

Gods Word in fact says that He will treat other Nations as He does End Time Israel. Israel has also had it's fair share of punishment from God when they back peddled and forgot who the author of their Salvation was.


Jer 12:15 But later, I will have pity on these nations and bring them back to their own lands. Jer 12:16 They once taught my people to worship Baal. But if they admit I am the only true God, and if they let my people teach them how to worship me, these nations will also become my people. Jer 12:17 However, if they don't listen to me, I will uproot them from their lands and completely destroy them. I, the LORD, have spoken.

I do not disagree with you, just merely pointing out that the mystery Babylon is more likely linked to Jerusalem than any other nation/city. Also the nations referred to in this passage concern those that taught Israel to worship Baal. Though I do think that the principle applies to all nations as you have so aptly pointed out.

RT

[Tevye]

"Iran is an octopus of terror..."

Naftali Bennett ... World Must Stop Iran Now
Naftali Bennett, former Chief of Staff to Benjamin Netanyahu,
explains the present and immediate danger of Iran
acquiring a nuclear weapon.
video ...on Fox News

"We are at the very last moment."
- Naftali Bennett

New Israeli right-wing leader worries Netanyahu

"Israel (AP) — The charismatic new leader of Israel's Jewish religious
right is siphoning a large chunk of votes from the prime minister's party."
...israeli-wing
-
...Israel's new rightwing star

"A smile on his lips, his voice direct and authoritative, his agenda rightwing
but broadbased, Naftali Bennett is quickly turning into the newest darling
of Israel's national religious bloc.

Just under a month before snap elections on January 22
Bennett's Jewish Home party is snatching seats away..."
...uk.news

[Tevye]

The Woman, Israel
"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun
and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars
and she was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain
to give birth.

...the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman
so that she could fly into the wilderness...
Revelation chapter 12

Iran Says Patriots in Turkey Are Meant to Protect Israel

The deployment of Patriot missiles in Turkey is designed to protect Israel from
Iranian threats, Iran charged on Sunday, according to the Turkish daily Hurriyet.

Speaking to Lebanon's Al-Manar TV station, Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson
Ramin Mehmanparast was quoted as having said the missiles were "placed by NATO
and the West to protect Israel" against possible incoming Iranian missiles.

Iran believes Turkey would not permit its airspace to be used in an attack on
the Islamic Republic, Mehmanparast said, but added that the control of the
Patriots was not in the hands of Turkish authorities.

The United States began deploying the missiles
in Turkey over the weekend... ...continues...

“Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch
has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know
that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things
recognize that He is near, right at the door.”
Matthew chapter 24

[Tevye]

Syria, Iran threaten retaliation
against Israel over airstrike

Syria threatened Thursday to retaliate for an Israeli airstrike
and its ally Iran said there will be repercussions for the
Jewish state over the attack. ...continued at foxnews.com/world

[xdrifter]

Gods Word in fact says that He will treat other Nations as He does End Time Israel. Israel has also had it's fair share of punishment from God when they back peddled and forgot who the author of their Salvation was.


Jer 12:15 But later, I will have pity on these nations and bring them back to their own lands. Jer 12:16 They once taught my people to worship Baal. But if they admit I am the only true God, and if they let my people teach them how to worship me, these nations will also become my people. Jer 12:17 However, if they don't listen to me, I will uproot them from their lands and completely destroy them. I, the LORD, have spoken.

I do not disagree with you, just merely pointing out that the mystery Babylon is more likely linked to Jerusalem than any other nation/city. Also the nations referred to in this passage concern those that taught Israel to worship Baal. Though I do think that the principle applies to all nations as you have so aptly pointed out.

RT

Mystery Babylon cannot be Jerusalem. End Time Jerusalem is specifically addressed in End Time Prophecy and defined with descriptions that directly contradict those of Babylon.

The most obvious contradiction with this idea is the fact Babylon is destroyed right after Satan makes his final, failed attempt to destroy Israel - where we know Jerusalem is located. The contradictions with your idea don't stop there. Following that Scriptures say Satan goes after the Christians, this is when Babylon is destroyed (devastating winds, and fire raining from the sky) as well as Gog, Magog, Damascus, as well as several other places (Nuclear War).

Following this, the AntiChrist, and the Mark of the Beast are introduced by the Revived Roman Empire (Europe)

Two of the other remaining Nations that are still part of Prophecy at this point are China which the Bible says will cross the Euphrates when it moves on Israel at Armageddon, and the Europe/Middle East alliance which will form the Revived Roman Empire, who both according to the book of Revelations will be poised to strike Israel just before the battle of Armageddon when the Lord steps in and cleans house.

So, how is it exactly you can assert that Jerusalem is end time Babylon?

[xdrifter]

Babylon is destroyed - pre-Mark, pre-Antichrist, it ceases to exist creating a power vacuum which makes way for a new economic system, and two new Super Powers (the Beast from the East, and the Revived Roman Empire)

Jerusalem is in Israel, and Israel exists until the very end just as God promises.

[Tevye]

"F-16s 'Fired 8 Missiles,
Bunker-Buster at Syria Chemical Site'

London-based Arab newspaper
says Iranian Revolutionary Guards
who were guarding the installation
were killed." ...cont. at israelnationalnews.com
-
"The diplomatic source said... that about 3,000 Iranian
Revolutionary Guards were stationed at the installation."

[Tevye]

New Senate Resolution:
Back Israel if it Attacks Iran
-by Elad Benari-
A bipartisan group of senators on Thursday introduced
a new resolution which says that the United States would
back Israel militarily if the Jewish State were to attack Iran...
-
The resolution declares that the United States has a vital
national interest in and unbreakable commitment to ensuring
the existence, survival, and security of the State of Israel
...continued at israelnationalnews.com

...bi..partisan...
Revelation 12:14

[Tevye]

Iran Moving Towards
‘Further Provocative Actions’
-by Chana Ya'ar
Joseph Mcmanus said Iran’s unwillingness to halt
its activities in the face of ever-tightening sanctions
“cannot be accepted as normal.” israelnationalnews.com

[notworthcomparing]

http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/iran-orders-terrorists-prepare-for-war/

[Tevye]

"Iraq Turns Blind Eye to
Iran Arms Flights to Syria"
by Rachel Hirshfeld
"Baghdad is "looking the other way" as Iran sends military
equipment through Iraqi airspace to Syrian regime."
...continued @ link

[xdrifter]

We are approaching the fighting season.

Tensions not only high in the ME but also looks like a storm is brewing in the asian pacific.

A fun experiment worth trying,


Create a list of countries currently dominating the headlines.

What common enemies do they share?
What common alliances?

[xdrifter]

Glenn Beck took the Challenge.

For those of you who didn't check out Beck's opinion. While I don't agree completely with his observations they are mostly accurate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL-RU1XtnUo


This is essential to understanding the American, End time Babylon connection.

I am sorry to see there is not more interest in this subject, as I feel it is about to effect our everyday lives.