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Looking4acity wrote:
They are supposed to be our friends, our allies. But they hate us. They control banking, central banks therefore countries and their politicians, their armies, the television, newspapers, the music industry, Hollywood, social media and religions. As the Pharasees of old, they think they are better than everyone else. They are the elite, the deep state, the hidden hand. They think that God has given them the right to rule by twisting the Scriptures. They follow the evil Talmud and Caballah. They are the Syanagogue of Satan. They do not know the God of their Fathers. They formed the State and did terrible things to make other Jews want to go "home". They want their messiah and prepared a place for him. They are terrorists and murders. They cause wars. They have killed the saints and prophets and when God judges them, they will not repent of it.
Looking4acity wrote:
They are supposed to be our friends, our allies. But they hate us. They control banking, central banks therefore countries and their politicians, their armies, the television, newspapers, the music industry, Hollywood, social media and religions. As the Pharasees of old, they think they are better than everyone else. They are the elite, the deep state, the hidden hand. They think that God has given them the right to rule by twisting the Scriptures. They follow the evil Talmud and Caballah. They are the Syanagogue of Satan. They do not know the God of their Fathers. They formed the State and did terrible things to make other Jews want to go "home". They want their messiah and prepared a place for him. They are terrorists and murders. They cause wars. They have killed the saints and prophets and when God judges them, they will not repent of it.
Looking4acity wrote:For you, Abiding, I will repeat:
"If nothing else don't miss Chapter V".
shorttribber wrote:Looking,
I first took a look at chapter five. Honestly, I don't give a rat's boogers about the Talmud. The Word of God is the Authority on Who is the "Israel of God" and Who the Synagogue of satan is.
Is there a point that you are attempting to make by pointing to the Lies of the Talmud? Does that matter? Do you prove what God has Determined by the Lies of Men? I prove what God has determined by His Holy Word.
So should you.
I have told you of two Kinds of Those we Generally CALL Jews, in the Land they both share.
Yet you have not responded. Why?
Maybe if you read more Real and True Scriptures than the Lies you're asking us to read, then you may better understand.
I assure you Looking, I'm not the one confused, nor am I moved by propaganda of any kind.
brett wrote:I don't agree with you here. They do not believe in the same God and Jesus Himself said so, Jesus said their father is the devil.
shorttribber wrote:This is the answer I gave on the other thread........and it applies here as well..................
...................................................................................................................brett wrote:I don't agree with you here. They do not believe in the same God and Jesus Himself said so, Jesus said their father is the devil.
Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees (Who were not following the True and Only God) THEY Had ZERO Faith, other than Faith in the God of Forces (Authority and Power).
BUT......
Romans 3 .......says.....
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
The Ones that Do have Faith and Love for the True and Only God, but ignorantly still have not yet Understood the Gospel, Are the Ones Described by Paul.
They are the Jews Of the Promise (part of the remnant) that as of yet are still Not Christians, But Serve the SAME God.
As I said before, God knows them...and you don't, but you call them evil.
I call them Blessed, and known of God, The "Israel of God". And God HAS given them That Land according to the Abrahamic Promise.
Now who is Right, Romans 3:30, or you brett?
brett wrote: I consider a Jew to be a believer in Judaism, I consider the term "Jew" to be inseparable from the religion of Judaism. So to me "Jew" = "follower of Judaism". "Christian" = "anyone who puts their faith in Christ".
shorttribber wrote:brett wrote: I consider a Jew to be a believer in Judaism, I consider the term "Jew" to be inseparable from the religion of Judaism. So to me "Jew" = "follower of Judaism". "Christian" = "anyone who puts their faith in Christ".
You can keep that definition of a Jew as true if you want to. I, on the other hand will believe what Paul the Apostle said to be true.
Romans 2
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
So you can have your definition, and i'll agree with Paul. And that is given to you in King James English.
Does God's Word have preeminence in you or not?
Not trying to be harsh, just straight to the point brother.
brett wrote: Any Israelite who followed, listened and believed upon Jesus when He was on the earth - became a Christian - they were no longer a "Jew" imho - no longer a follower of Judaism. That's what I believe.
brett wrote:So ST what do you call those people who look like what the world defines as Jews? Those who pray at the wailing wall. Do you call them Jews? When you talk about Jews who are you talking about?
shorttribber wrote:brett wrote: Any Israelite who followed, listened and believed upon Jesus when He was on the earth - became a Christian - they were no longer a "Jew" imho - no longer a follower of Judaism. That's what I believe.
Ok, Jesus was on the earth during John the Baptist ministry. Many Jews repented and were baptized. Were They evil sons of satan then, after they repented and were baptized? Or were they more likely than not, the Faithful "Remnant" that God gave his promises to?
Repentance and baptism was the SIGN of the Inward Circumcision of the Heart then. That Circumcision of the Heart was being accomplished in both Men and Women. That was the "making way" of the New Covenant before Christ came.
The circumcision of the flesh was before only outward, and accomplished in Males. Now That Circumcision was being performed in the Heart and accomplished in Men and Women alike.
It was being accomplished in a Faithful Remnant, before the ministry of Christ.
These were not Yet Christians, but they were the Faithful Remnant, and Children of Abraham by Promise.
shorttribber wrote:brett wrote:So ST what do you call those people who look like what the world defines as Jews? Those who pray at the wailing wall. Do you call them Jews? When you talk about Jews who are you talking about?
I call them Outward Jews, or Inward Jews.....just as Paul defined them.
And you or anybody else have no idea who is who at the wailing wall....only God does.
To me it's that simple brett.....you can't lump them all together as being Against God, just because they practice Judaism in ignorance still....it's just not true.
brett wrote:I agree with you ST, I'm not trying to give you a bad day ST, really I'm not.
brett wrote: Yes these are the remnant and would go on to believe in Christ - so they would become Christians. They would not continue on as believers in Judaism (Jews - worldly definition).
brett wrote:So who did continue on as followers of Judaism - by the definition I gave earlier (worldly definition of a Jew) the Jews were the ones who continued on in Judaism and rejected Christ - all the others converted to Christianity and were no longer Jews (worldly definition of a Jew).
shorttribber wrote:Those who wanted to take the Kingdom by Force. Outward Jews. Rebellious outward Only Jews.
And you are mostly right in this respect, that is most evidently the main population of those in Israel today.
But again, as I said before...God does not care one bit about percentages....Gideon comes to mind.
brett wrote:ST the religion of Judaism does not worship the same God as Christianity
brett wrote:So a Jew - while he worships Judaism is not serving Christ and is an enemy of the gospel.
brett wrote:Paul when he was Saul was an enemy of Christ and to the Gospel - only after conversion did he SWAP sides and start serving the correct side.
brett wrote:shorttribber wrote:Those who wanted to take the Kingdom by Force. Outward Jews. Rebellious outward Only Jews.
And you are mostly right in this respect, that is most evidently the main population of those in Israel today.
But again, as I said before...God does not care one bit about percentages....Gideon comes to mind.
But it is the majority of Christ rejecting Jews who CONTROL the STATE of Israel today and make the decisions. That's why the State of Israel today cannot be "God's Israel" because the modern state of Israel is run by Christ rejecting Jews and setup in opposition to Christ and the Gospel - it promotes Judaism. They want to make Israel an official "Jewish State" (worldly definition of Jewish) - a nation state of Judaism. That makes Israel a state that officially promotes the rejection of Jesus Christ.
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shorttribber wrote:brett wrote:shorttribber wrote:Those who wanted to take the Kingdom by Force. Outward Jews. Rebellious outward Only Jews.
And you are mostly right in this respect, that is most evidently the main population of those in Israel today.
But again, as I said before...God does not care one bit about percentages....Gideon comes to mind.
But it is the majority of Christ rejecting Jews who CONTROL the STATE of Israel today and make the decisions. That's why the State of Israel today cannot be "God's Israel" because the modern state of Israel is run by Christ rejecting Jews and setup in opposition to Christ and the Gospel - it promotes Judaism. They want to make Israel an official "Jewish State" (worldly definition of Jewish) - a nation state of Judaism. That makes Israel a state that officially promotes the rejection of Jesus Christ.
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I understand that point. The Outward Jews Control the State, politically. What they do not realize is that God Ultimately Controls THAT STATE........Just as he Controlled that State during the time of Christ, when the Leadership was in the SAME KIND of Rebellion against Him.
brett wrote:God ultimately controls the entire earth but that does not mean all the earth is following Gods will.
brett wrote:The issue here is whether God would bless, support and protect modern Israel while it is in utter rebellion to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and imho the answer to that is a resounding NO.
brett wrote:Imho modern Israel is not blessed by God,
brett wrote: Imho modern Israel is not the apple of God's eye, rather its an abomination to Him and it will see Wrath like the rest of the earth.
brett wrote:Imho the modern state of Israel is a danger to believers - because many believers are deceived by the propaganda that its a blessed and protected nation, that even while they openly REJECT Jesus Christ that some how they are God's people and God fights for them against other nations etc, etc. I believe this is dangerous propaganda and believers need to be aware.
brett wrote:.
I consider it a real possibility that modern Israel could play a prominent role in the Last days deception, this is really the most important point imho. I consider it a real possibility that the "covenant" that is confirmed with many may actually be the Mosaic covenant - since it seems to be connected with sacrifices and offerings starting up again. To me this sounds like it could mean that all the current Zionist propaganda, the recent rise of modern Israel, may actually have a greater sinister purpose - to pave the way for the Anti-Christ.
I just want believers to be aware of this.
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keithareilly wrote:Modern Israel is blessed; but, not in the way for which you are looking.
Modern Israel is being used to show God's glory just as God did during the time of Moses.
Pharoah was not able to overcome Israel once God decided it was time to show His Glory and might.
God used Abrahams genetic descendants for that purpose.
He is using them for that purpose again. Only this time is to the Muslims (includes Egypt, again).
Keith
I do not believe God is using modern Israel as an example to the muslims, like He used Old Israel as an example in Moses day to the Egyptians - I don't believe this is happening at all.
I believe wealth, power and corruption is behind the success of modern Israel. Just like other corrupt and powerful nations are speeding quickly towards the Wrath of God, so too I believe modern Israel is speeding rapidly towards the Wrath of God.
keithareilly wrote:Brett wrote,I do not believe God is using modern Israel as an example to the muslims, like He used Old Israel as an example in Moses day to the Egyptians - I don't believe this is happening at all.
and ...I believe wealth, power and corruption is behind the success of modern Israel. Just like other corrupt and powerful nations are speeding quickly towards the Wrath of God, so too I believe modern Israel is speeding rapidly towards the Wrath of God.
Romans 8:28
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[a] have been called according to his purpose.
While this scripture talks about who benefits, it also points out that all things, both good and evil, are used by God.
If wealth, power, and corruption are behind the scenes, which, during my life time, they always have been, that fact does not rule out that God can use them for good and to accomplish His objectives. Just because such things are present is not an argument against God bringing the decedents of Abraham back to the land God promised Abraham he would give his decedents.
Keith
"........ Correct answers emerge out of the process of argument that fills the Talmud and all the books written to explain it. They are tentative conclusions whose rightness is based upon the ability of one school of thought to persuade the community of Rabbinic scholars that its point of view represents the best understanding of Torah and of God’s demands upon us..."
......... In a paradox that determined the history of Judaism, the Talmud was Oral Torah in written form, and as such it became the clearest statement the Jew could hear of God’s very word."
The Talmud, like the Mishnah before it, has always functioned as a training text for rabbis and their disciples. ....... Anyone, however, who aspired to the title “rabbi,” anyone who wished to be part of an ancient chain of tradition, had to become immersed in the “sea of the Talmud.”.......... The traditional Jew studies Talmud because it communicates ultimate truth—truth about God, truth about the world, and most important, truth about how God wants the holy community of Israel to live. ........
......... In a paradox that determined the history of Judaism, the Talmud was Oral Torah in written form, and as such it became the clearest statement the Jew could hear of God’s very word.
To merely pick up the Zohar, to scan its Aramaic letters and allow in the energy that infuses them, is to experience what kabbalists have experienced for thousands of years: a powerful energy-giving instrument, a life-saving tool imbued with the ability to bring peace, protection, healing and fulfillment to those who possess it.
brett wrote:Likewise Keith its also perfectly possible that satan is behind the creation of modern Israel to prepare the world for the Anti-Christ. To setup a 3rd Temple for the Anti-Christ to setup the AOD, etc, etc.
shorttribber wrote:The greatest of all the danger in all of it though is some of what you still continue to believe yourself. Namely....
A rebuilt temple
A seven year deal..........or
A confirming of the Mosaic covenant
A 7 year tribA Deal Making antichrist
A Modern Zionist Dispensational Plan for ALL Israel
All of the Above sentences that begin with the capital "A" will not occur at all.
Those sentences describe where the main deception is brett....would be good if you could see that.
keithareilly wrote:Brett,
Then let us keep our eyes open and see which is happening.
I do not see a temple and an antichrist in Israel; where are they?
I do see nearly the whole world opposing them and wanting to wipe them of the map and continually failing to do so.
Keith
Cabala: 1. A medieval Jewish mysticism marked by belief in creation through emanation and a cipher method of interpreting scriptures. 2. Esoteric doctrine or beliefs.
Judaism.--It must be acknowledged that the Cabala intended to oppose philosophy and to intensify religion. But by introducing heathenish ideas it grafted on Judaism a conception of the world which was foreign to it and produced the most pernicious results. In place of the monotheistic biblical idea of God, according to which God is the creator, preserver and ruler of the world, the confused, pantheistically colored heathenish doctrine of emanation was substituted. The belief in the unity of God was replaced by the decade of the ten Sephiroth which were considered as divine substances. By no longer addressing prayers directly to god, but to the Sephiroth, a real Sephiroth-cult originated. The legal discussions of the Talmud were of no account; the Cabalists despised the Talmud, yea, they considered it as a canker of Judaism, which must be cut out if Judaism were to recover. According to the Zohar, I, 27b; III, 275a; 279b, the Talmud is only a bondmaid, but the Cabala a controlling mistress....
But the study of the Bible was also neglected, Scripture was no longer studied for its own sake, but for the sake of finding the so-called higher sense by means of mystical hermeneutical rules.
Even the rituals were variously changed and recast. The putting on of the phylacteries and prayer-mantle (talîth) was accompanied by the recitation of cabalistic formulas and sentences; special prayers were also addressed to the Sephiroth. Connected with all this was an extravagant, intoxicating superstition.
By application of the right formulas of prayer, man was to have power and influence on both the kingdoms of light and darkness. When the Cabalist prays, God shakes his head, changes at once his decrees, and abolishes heavy judgments.
brett wrote:This is basically what the Anti-christ is meant to do according to Judaism and even Islam teaches something simliar.
keithareilly wrote:I do not see a temple and an antichrist in Israel; where are they?
Looking4acity wrote:Exactly what is Cabala? Have you ever looked it up in the dictionary? My old Merriam-Webster from 1974 says:Cabala: 1. A medieval Jewish mysticism marked by belief in creation through emanation and a cipher method of interpreting scriptures. 2. Esoteric doctrine or beliefs.
From: "The Cabala" by Bernhard Pick (1913)Judaism.--It must be acknowledged that the Cabala intended to oppose philosophy and to intensify religion. But by introducing heathenish ideas it grafted on Judaism a conception of the world which was foreign to it and produced the most pernicious results. In place of the monotheistic biblical idea of God, according to which God is the creator, preserver and ruler of the world, the confused, pantheistically colored heathenish doctrine of emanation was substituted. The belief in the unity of God was replaced by the decade of the ten Sephiroth which were considered as divine substances. By no longer addressing prayers directly to god, but to the Sephiroth, a real Sephiroth-cult originated. The legal discussions of the Talmud were of no account; the Cabalists despised the Talmud, yea, they considered it as a canker of Judaism, which must be cut out if Judaism were to recover. According to the Zohar, I, 27b; III, 275a; 279b, the Talmud is only a bondmaid, but the Cabala a controlling mistress....
But the study of the Bible was also neglected, Scripture was no longer studied for its own sake, but for the sake of finding the so-called higher sense by means of mystical hermeneutical rules.
Even the rituals were variously changed and recast. The putting on of the phylacteries and prayer-mantle (talîth) was accompanied by the recitation of cabalistic formulas and sentences; special prayers were also addressed to the Sephiroth. Connected with all this was an extravagant, intoxicating superstition.
By application of the right formulas of prayer, man was to have power and influence on both the kingdoms of light and darkness. When the Cabalist prays, God shakes his head, changes at once his decrees, and abolishes heavy judgments.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/cab/cab08.htm
They think they can control God with sorceries.
Sanhedrin, MISHNA VIII.: If one gives one of his children to Molech, he is not guilty unless he had transferred him to the servants of Molech and let him pass through the fire. If, however, he had transferred and not passed through the fire, or vice versa, he is not guilty.
The first mention of Molech is in Leviticus 18:21 in which the Lord commanded, "You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord." The worship of Molech clearly involved ritual child sacrifice, something God's people were not to practice. This act was punishable by death according to Leviticus 20:2 which states, "Any one of the people of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech shall surely be put to death."
Further, child sacrifice to Molech was considered profanity against God's holy name. Leviticus 20:3 says, "I myself will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, to make my sanctuary unclean and to profane my holy name." Not only were those who sacrificed their children to be stoned to death, those who ignored such a sacrifice would be abandoned by God (Leviticus 20:5).
Yet this clear and stern warning from the Lord did not end the practice of Molech worship among the Israelites. Even King Solomon participated. First Kings 11:7 says, "Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, and for Molech the abomination of the Ammonites, on the mountain east of Jerusalem."
Looking4acity wrote:I found this and thought it was important for the Body to see:Sanhedrin, MISHNA VIII.: If one gives one of his children to Molech, he is not guilty unless he had transferred him to the servants of Molech and let him pass through the fire. If, however, he had transferred and not passed through the fire, or vice versa, he is not guilty.
Child Sacrifice. They think they found a way around God's Word.
From https://www.compellingtruth.org/molech.html---The first mention of Molech is in Leviticus 18:21 in which the Lord commanded, "You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord." The worship of Molech clearly involved ritual child sacrifice, something God's people were not to practice. This act was punishable by death according to Leviticus 20:2 which states, "Any one of the people of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech shall surely be put to death."
Further, child sacrifice to Molech was considered profanity against God's holy name. Leviticus 20:3 says, "I myself will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, to make my sanctuary unclean and to profane my holy name." Not only were those who sacrificed their children to be stoned to death, those who ignored such a sacrifice would be abandoned by God (Leviticus 20:5).
Yet this clear and stern warning from the Lord did not end the practice of Molech worship among the Israelites. Even King Solomon participated. First Kings 11:7 says, "Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, and for Molech the abomination of the Ammonites, on the mountain east of Jerusalem."
I had read a few statements from people saying King Soloman had fell in his later years but I had never actually looked it up in Scripture. I will tie him in with something later I believe is significant.
keithareilly wrote:Brett,
We all know God promised the land to Abrahams decendents.
Why do you promote the idea that Satan is the one keeping that promise, not God?
Keith
shorttribber wrote:Looking4acity wrote:Exactly what is Cabala? Have you ever looked it up in the dictionary? My old Merriam-Webster from 1974 says:Cabala: 1. A medieval Jewish mysticism marked by belief in creation through emanation and a cipher method of interpreting scriptures. 2. Esoteric doctrine or beliefs.
From: "The Cabala" by Bernhard Pick (1913)Judaism.--It must be acknowledged that the Cabala intended to oppose philosophy and to intensify religion. But by introducing heathenish ideas it grafted on Judaism a conception of the world which was foreign to it and produced the most pernicious results. In place of the monotheistic biblical idea of God, according to which God is the creator, preserver and ruler of the world, the confused, pantheistically colored heathenish doctrine of emanation was substituted. The belief in the unity of God was replaced by the decade of the ten Sephiroth which were considered as divine substances. By no longer addressing prayers directly to god, but to the Sephiroth, a real Sephiroth-cult originated. The legal discussions of the Talmud were of no account; the Cabalists despised the Talmud, yea, they considered it as a canker of Judaism, which must be cut out if Judaism were to recover. According to the Zohar, I, 27b; III, 275a; 279b, the Talmud is only a bondmaid, but the Cabala a controlling mistress....
But the study of the Bible was also neglected, Scripture was no longer studied for its own sake, but for the sake of finding the so-called higher sense by means of mystical hermeneutical rules.
Even the rituals were variously changed and recast. The putting on of the phylacteries and prayer-mantle (talîth) was accompanied by the recitation of cabalistic formulas and sentences; special prayers were also addressed to the Sephiroth. Connected with all this was an extravagant, intoxicating superstition.
By application of the right formulas of prayer, man was to have power and influence on both the kingdoms of light and darkness. When the Cabalist prays, God shakes his head, changes at once his decrees, and abolishes heavy judgments.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/cab/cab08.htm
They think they can control God with sorceries.
So What. Does that matter? They can't so
brett wrote:keithareilly wrote:Brett,
We all know God promised the land to Abrahams decendents.
Why do you promote the idea that Satan is the one keeping that promise, not God?
Keith
God promised the Land to those who believe, like Abraham believed.
God will keep that promise via His son Jesus Christ setting up Israel in the millennium - Jesus Christs Israel is the TRUE Israel. Satan is currently setting up a counterfeit Israel prior to Christs Israel, just like he's going to send a counterfeit Christ (Anti-Christ) - prior to the real Christ .
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keithareilly wrote:
That argument means ancient Israel was not a true Israel and that Satan must have also setup Ancient Israel.
Do you really believe that?
Keith
“The wealthy Jews rule the world; the fate of the governments lies in their hands. They start wars between countries, and when they wish, the governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along, and meanwhile the Jews get richer!” (Published by Herzl in a German newspaper)
Looking4acity wrote:Because I making the case as to who Mystery Babylon is.Rev. 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.Rev.18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
brett wrote:keithareilly wrote:
That argument means ancient Israel was not a true Israel and that Satan must have also setup Ancient Israel.
Do you really believe that?
Keith
No it doesn't - it means after Christ a new covenant was in effect and the old one was replaced. Israel was no longer used by God as it was in the past. Israel was replaced by believers ..... "replacement theology".
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