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Postby Chewy on Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:33 am

We're really starting to see JS's heart for dominion. Read between the lines and you'll see that he wants to produce a global surf class that is told from a child that it needs the international decision-maker. You will no longer be able to be all that you can be because, sorry, that job is taken. Your job is to legitimize the global masters by being a good servant. There goes your homeschooling. And you better up your intake of good "media" also mentioned below. He's an ad man's ad man.

Oh, and he and the Lord Jesus have something in common. They were both present at creation. Christ was present went the globe was created. JS was present when globalisation was created.

And his final quote ought to scare you to death. He laid his plans out right in front of them. What he's saying is the A/C intends to transform "strength into right" or, in other words, when he gets done, they'll think he deserves to send us into global surfdom to do his wishes. And transform "obedience into duty". That means that he's gonna make them think it was their idea to serve him. The world will volunteer to lick his boots.

And just to make sure that there are enough stop gaps in place to prevent his new world order from collapsing around him, he's going to enlist the greatest synergistic minds in the world to find and plug any and all holes in his plan while at the same time micro-managing every player (you and me and all our stuff).

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Dear Friends,
Dean Acheson's memoirs were called Present at the Creation. The story he tells is how in the postwar
period, under US leadership, a system was built that put the world on a new path of
international co-operation. His generation was determined to learn the lessons of the 1930s; to avoid
economic protectionism and a paralysed League of Nations.
They were committed to do better. But they were not naïve. After all, this was also the start of the
Cold War. So they knew about power. But they decided to make it subject to constraints. The title
of Acheson's memoirs is fitting. The leaders at that time were not always aware of it. But they
created what became known as "the multilateral system". Co-operation would not be just ad-hoc,
but based on strong institutions. For decades that system served us well.
This morning I am delighted that I am, so to say, also present at the creation of something, namely
this new initiative on Global Governance. I want to commend Strobe [Talbott] and Carlos [Pascual]
for getting this project off the ground, together with the Center for International Co-operation at
NYU and the Center for International Security and Co-operation at Stanford. The aim of this project
is ambitious and urgent: to launch a new reform effort for the global security system, in 2009.
As Carlos [Pascual] says, we have to analyse the capacity of the existing system to address the new
threats we face; assess why previous reform attempts have not always worked; and then decide how
we can build the momentum for a successful reform effort by 2009.
I am delighted to play a modest role myself.
Global governance is an awful term but a vital concept. We need it because of a simple reality:
interdependence. We live in a world where people, goods, ideas, money, threats and opportunities
move at a global level and at increasing speed. What happens half-way round the world, in
Afghanistan, Gaza or DR Congo affects our own security and prosperity.
Globalisation has offered millions a chance to live better lives. But it has also unleashed forces that
governments can neither stop not control. You all know the list: terrorism, non-proliferation,
climate change, pandemics, failing states. None can be solved by a single government acting alone.
So the question is: how do we organise this globalised world? And especially how do we tackle the
dark side of globalisation?
On the whole, our capacity to analyse problems is good. But even when we agree on what has to
happen - take Israel-Palestine - we still don't manage to translate that consensus into results on the
ground. It is worth analysing why this is so.
Let us return for a moment to Acheson. The post-war system was very successful. We had a
network of strong institutions and regimes: the UN, IMF, GATT, NATO. Yes, the Cold War set
limits on the capacity of the system. But it also prevented the Cold War from degenerating into
open conflict.
2
Through deterrence and détente, the Helsinki agreement, and arms control treaties, we eventually
brought about a peaceful end to the Cold War. This led in 1989/90 to the outbreak of euphoria. It
was the period of "the end of history"; the triumph of markets and democracy. A new world order to
be managed by a rejuvenated United Nations. It was great to live through that phase. But people
were far too optimistic. For the global system is in serious trouble. It is simply not capable of
solving the big challenges of today.
In the 19th century, the problems that industrialisation brought about were solved through a series
of state interventions: from safety standards to sewage systems to a ban on child labour. We have to
ask ourselves: what structures, beyond the state, do we have to solve the big problems of our times?
We are dealing with complex security challenges that defy traditional ways of operating. We have
to see the connections between different threats. In many ways, Darfur is the first time we are aware
that a war is caused by climate change - and it will not be the last. We need more integrated
strategies to address these problems. In the old system, everyone was doing their own thing in their
own corner.
We now know that we must bring together the world of soldiers, diplomats, judges and
development experts. More fundamentally the old system cannot cope because power is shifting
away. Within political systems: to the media, markets and above all to individuals.
These days, there is less obedience. Who wants to be a follower if you are constantly told you can
be what you want to be?
It is striking that in Britain, the slogan for the recruitment for the army has
changed from "Your country needs You" to "Be all you can be".
Power is also shifting between political systems: from the West to new powers. China, India, Brazil,
South Africa. And yes from the US, we have seen a tendency to make its engagement in the
multilateral system more selective. More narrowly focused on short-term priorities. And less willing
to seek deeper trade-offs with other countries.
What to do? The first requirement is that the US plays an active and constructive role inside the
system. I have a sense that the tide may be turning. And I hope that this project will strengthen
those who argue that working through multilateral organisations is the best way to get lasting
results. More broadly, we need to make space at the top table.
Take the G-8. At present it does not really work effectively. It needs to change its membership.
Why not make it a G-10 in which the ten major countries are represented based on a composite
index of international weight (GDP, aid, soldiers and civilians deployed on peace support
missions)? This would not only bring China and India in but also keep some current members on
their toes...
Equally we should make space for the new heavyweights at the UN Security Council. In turn, the
new powers should keep in mind that with greater global influence come greater responsibilities
too. To strengthen regional co-operation, could we have (semi)permanent seats at the UNSC for the
Great Powers but also for regional organisations?
3
I am convinced that we need stronger regional organisations: the African Union, ASEAN, Latin
American structures. I also wonder whether the Middle East region will remain the big exception:
over-armed, under-institutionalised and rife with tensions.
Then we will need to develop new bargains. On the environment and climate change. Or on forms
of dialogues between cultures. Sometimes we need to be more serious about upholding our side of
the old bargain. Take non-proliferation. If we want to be credible, we have to take the disarmament
side of the bargain more seriously. In addition, the multilateral system cannot only address our
immediate concerns. When we talk about non-proliferation we mostly mean WMD (weapons of
mass destruction). But for many African or Asian leaders the most urgent proliferation problem is
that of small arms and light weapons.
Above all, we need to re-learn that the biggest shift in history came when we extended the rule of
law. First within states and now, gradually, also among them. We should step up what we are
already doing. Regionally - most strikingly in Europe. But also globally on some aspects of
international life. See the WTO dispute settlement system, or the International Criminal Court. In
short: we need to share power (with new players); re-think power (beyond the state paradigm) and
tame power (extend the rule of law internationally).
Let me end with some words on legitimacy. One big problem is that we all know that we live in a
globalised world. But our politics remain local or national.
This is a problem for those, like me, who
are convinced that the world needs more global-level, multilateral co-operation. For I am also a
democrat in believing that power has to be accountable.
So the question becomes: how do you make global governance more effective while making it also
democratically accountable? A key benefit of acting multilaterally is legitimacy which in turns
enhances effectiveness. As I said, this means bringing in new centres of power.
But legitimacy also means bringing our publics along. If decisions are increasingly taken at the
international level, people have to see these as legitimate
. So we have two imperatives: to create
greater effectiveness in global governance but also to uphold democratic legitimacy. To do so is
difficult. It requires new ideas and a sense of compromise. But I really see no real alternative.
Let me leave you with a quote from Jean Jacques Rousseau, from The Social Contract, now that we
are talking about a global social contract.
"The strongest is never strong enough to be always the master, unless he transforms strength into
right and obedience into duty."
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Postby Cantaress4Him on Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:53 am

That's scary!
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Postby Chewy on Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:30 pm

And if he can get that "index of international weight" going, I think that will remove America's veto. The global community will run rough-shod over the American will.

I think he was telling them his personal plans, and they thought he was including them. Hook, line, and sinker.
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Postby jereome on Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:09 pm

Take the G-8. At present it does not really work effectively. It needs to change its membership.
Why not make it a G-10 in which the ten major countries are represented based on a composite
index of international weight (GDP, aid, soldiers and civilians deployed on peace support
missions)? This would not only bring China and India in but also keep some current members on
their toes...


Ok he has finally said it, the global kingdom will be a global kingdom with countries represented through the G-10 instead of G-8.

So it will be:

1. United States.
2. United Kingdom.
3. France.
4. Germany.
5. Canada.
6. Italy.
7. Japan.
8. Russia.
9. China.
10. India.

Running the global kingdom of the Antichrist.
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Postby sherrimae on Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:02 pm

Could the G-10 he is wanting to create be the 10 kings instead of the WEU, as we have been thinking?

This guy is scary. And I don't think there is any chance at all that he is going to retire anytime soon. I think he is on the global stage to stay for awhile, whether he is or isn't the AC. Most men with power want more power, and I think that is where JS is going - trying to get more and more power. It sounds to me like he wants to be the leader of a global one world government.
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Postby Sparrow on Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:13 am

Not sure if this belongs here; but I found it interesting in regard to the timing of Javier's speech.



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Pöttering made the invitation today when he was received by the Pope in a private audience.

According to the president's press office, Pöttering "took advantage of this occasion to invite the Pope to speak during a plenary session of the European Parliament."

During his visit to Italy's capital, the German-born president participated in a congress organized by European bishops on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the Treaty of Rome.

Pöttering had been one of the advocates of recognizing the Christian roots of Europe in its constitution.

Pope John Paul II spoke before the European Parliament in Strasbourg in 1988.

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Postby Sword of Geddon on Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:26 pm

Remember that the real AC will proform many signs and wonders that will fool even the elite if possible. Anotherwords he will have supernatural powers. Javier doesn't have that as of yet, but if he is the AC then he could get them when the Beast Kingdom is fully formed and he is possessed by Satan.
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Postby Mttw633 on Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:44 pm

Exactly-we know the ac, whomever he is, will take a mortal wound and that the ac and satan will have 3 1/2 years to reign. The ac is also the 8th belonging to the 7 and is going to destruction. So he will be possessed by a previous spirit/ruler after his mortal wound which I believe happens around the AoD.
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Postby stevesherri on Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:18 pm

Mttw633 wrote:Exactly-we know the ac, whomever he is, will take a mortal wound and that the ac and satan will have 3 1/2 years to reign. The ac is also the 8th belonging to the 7 and is going to destruction. So he will be possessed by a previous spirit/ruler after his mortal wound which I believe happens around the AoD.


And that happened to be your 666th post.

Hmmmm....
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Postby nonymouse on Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:33 pm

Sword of Geddon wrote:Remember that the real AC will proform many signs and wonders that will fool even the elite if possible. Anotherwords he will have supernatural powers. Javier doesn't have that as of yet, but if he is the AC then he could get them when the Beast Kingdom is fully formed and he is possessed by Satan.


False wonders, according to II Thess. 2:9 (NAS).

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Postby Chewy on Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:55 pm

I don't know how I missed this. If you guys are pro-2nd Amendment, this should wake you up:

In addition, the multilateral system cannot only address our
immediate concerns. When we talk about non-proliferation we mostly mean WMD (weapons of
mass destruction). But for many African or Asian leaders the most urgent proliferation problem is
that of small arms and light weapons.


He means to disarm you!!!
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Postby Chewy on Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:57 pm

But, at least he's a Jedi knight:

how do we tackle the
dark side of globalisation?


remember the a/c will honor the god of forces.
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Postby Chewy on Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:58 pm

Equally we should make space for the new heavyweights at the UN Security Council. In turn, the
new powers should keep in mind that with greater global influence come greater responsibilities
too. To strengthen regional co-operation, could we have (semi)permanent seats at the UNSC for the
Great Powers but also for regional organisations?
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I am convinced that we need stronger regional organisations: the African Union, ASEAN, Latin
American structures.


What he meant to say was "and ME from the EU, you dummies!!"
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Postby Chewy on Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:00 pm

But he got this one wrong:

Through deterrence and détente, the Helsinki agreement, and arms control treaties, we eventually
brought about a peaceful end to the Cold War.


Nope, JS, it was Ronald Reagan's famous arms race that drove the USSR into bankruptsy and ultimately into defeat. Nice of you to take credit, though.
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Postby Chewy on Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:02 pm

Sherrimae:

Could the G-10 he is wanting to create be the 10 kings instead of the WEU, as we have been thinking?


That was the first thought that fell out of my left ear upon reading his speech. We may not be as far along as we thought we were.
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Postby ChurchGirl on Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:51 pm

"The strongest is never strong enough to be always the master, unless he transforms strength into right and obedience into duty."


Man, if that isn't a twist on the challenge Satan made to God in Job.
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Postby laurie in ok on Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:22 pm

That whole speech was freaky. I'm coming to the point where I'm worried about severe persecution for Christians whether or not we are in the final week. I just finished a book that is set in first century Rome and Christians are being fed to the lions. I can see where our society would welcome the gore and killing. I need to pray for strength. I think I could stand for myself - but I'm so afraid I would cave over my children!
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Postby ChrisJ on Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:30 pm

Taffy, Caramelly, er, I mean, Chewy,



Wow. I hate to use this icon, but... :shock:

Anybody know anything about "Jean Jacques Rousseau, from The Social Contract." I'm wondering what kinda books this feller's been reading.
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Postby sherrimae on Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:58 pm

I agree with Chewy. It was Reagan's arms race that the Soviet Union couldn't compete with. And Gorbachev's letting the people have a little taste of freedom helped some too. It's hard to let people have only a little bit of freedom.

As far as the 2nd Amendment is concerned, we will hang on to our guns as long as we possibly can. Armed citizens are the only defense against dictatorship. My husband is a retired Army lieutenant colonel, and he knows all about how to use guns in self defense. Of course, we might need to store up some ammunition, because I'm sure the new world order will want to ban that too.

I used to not be in favor of owning guns until I saw what the Chinese did in Tianamen Square. If only the people had had some weapons to defend themselves with, maybe they could have won some freedom. Instead they were brutally run over with tanks. Something like this could happen other places too if the citizens are all disarmed.
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Postby ChurchGirl on Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:07 am

Anybody else feel something's coming round the corner?

I just can't shake it.

Edit: I know it's a vague statement...
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Postby Mr Dan on Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:58 am

ChurchGirl wrote:
"The strongest is never strong enough to be always the master, unless he transforms strength into right and obedience into duty."


Man, if that isn't a twist on the challenge Satan made to God in Job.


Heres what he quoted in context of the writing.

THE strongest is never strong enough to be always the master, unless he transforms strength into right, and obedience into duty. Hence the right of the strongest, which, though to all seeming meant ironically, is really laid down as a fundamental principle. But are we never to have an explanation of this phrase? Force is a physical power, and I fail to see what moral effect it can have. To yield to force is an act of necessity, not of will — at the most, an act of prudence. In what sense can it be a duty?

Suppose for a moment that this so-called "right" exists. I maintain that the sole result is a mass of inexplicable nonsense. For, if force creates right, the effect changes with the cause: every force that is greater than the first succeeds to its right. As soon as it is possible to disobey with impunity, disobedience is legitimate; and, the strongest being always in the right, the only thing that matters is to act so as to become the strongest. But what kind of right is that which perishes when force fails? If we must obey perforce, there is no need to obey because we ought; and if we are not forced to obey, we are under no obligation to do so. Clearly, the word "right" adds nothing to force: in this connection, it means absolutely nothing.

Obey the powers that be. If this means yield to force, it is a good precept, but superfluous: I can answer for its never being violated. All power comes from God, I admit; but so does all sickness: does that mean that we are forbidden to call in the doctor? A brigand surprises me at the edge of a wood: must I not merely surrender my purse on compulsion; but, even if I could withhold it, am I in conscience bound to give it up? For certainly the pistol he holds is also a power.

Let us then admit that force does not create right, and that we are obliged to obey only legitimate powers. In that case, my original question recurs.
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Postby mouserpg on Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:45 am

Chewy wrote:But, at least he's a Jedi knight:

how do we tackle the
dark side of globalisation?


remember the a/c will honor the god of forces.

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL

That's the funniest thing I've read all day! But wasn't it fortresses?
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Postby Jeremiah 4:27 on Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:43 am

JS said what;
Take the G-8. At present it does not really work effectively. It needs to change its membership.
Why not make it a G-10 in which the ten major countries are represented based on a composite
index of international weight (GDP, aid, soldiers and civilians deployed on peace support
missions)? This would not only bring China and India in but also keep some current members on
their toes...

... keep some current members on there toes. Daniel 3:41-44

If you bring in two more countries; They will no doubt have to create a minimum basis of eligibility i.e. points for GDP, aid. soldiers etc . A G10 up and running and then there becomes a given global situation that requires a multilateral movement where three nations can not or can but will not commit to, hence are put on notice/subdued/sanctioned from membership.
Who would be standing on who's toes... Dan 7:8..."whom three of the first roots were plucked out by the roots... ouch! but wait a minute here..
"Three of the First roots"... ummm three of the original G-8 subdued from kingdom of earth, yet maybe still a blessed hope for the Kingdom for God.

Just a thought that came to mind, when I read JS speach.
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Postby Looking4acity on Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:38 am

Chewy wrote:Sherrimae:

Could the G-10 he is wanting to create be the 10 kings instead of the WEU, as we have been thinking?


That was the first thought that fell out of my left ear upon reading his speech. We may not be as far along as we thought we were.


If the G-10 was the 10 kings instead of the WEU, it could still be possible we are in the 70th week. Perhaps the fulfillment of the 10 kings wouldn't have to be in place until 2010 for the Great Tribulation. They still have plenty of time to restructure the Security Council to beat 2010.

The thing is -- IMO, a G-10 Security Council seems to be in conflict with a revived Roman Empire.

Hmmm...
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Postby Chewy on Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:42 am

Mouserpg-

But wasn't it fortresses?


Not if you have a King James Bible (like you should :o)
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces:
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Postby Wickus on Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:26 pm

Looking4acity wrote:

The thing is -- IMO, a G-10 Security Council seems to be in conflict with a revived Roman Empire.


I have to agree with you. I also think that the WEU fits the role better. The G10 is still just a speculation, and even if it maybe gets of the ground, I think it will just be a confirmation of Daniel's prophecy.

There is to much happening in the EU, WEU, ENP, Rec 666. Doc 666, JS to look for other things.

But like Herb always says: "I might be wrong..." But what is the odds?
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Fascism and Javier

Postby Dorothy on Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:02 pm

Read Prof. Gene Veith's book, Modern Fascism:Liquidating the Judeo-Christian Worldview, for a clear look at how the Europeans and now the US have become suscepetible to the lure of the promises of the European Union. Human nature doesn't change. The European Union comes from the political side of the New Age movement which is a resurgence of Nazism. Though the book was written in the '90s, it is very relevant today. Prof. Veith, is the author of many books, but is most proud of this one. See the reviews over at Amazon.com.
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Postby ronniebee on Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:31 pm

Chewy wrote:Mouserpg-

But wasn't it fortresses?


Not if you have a King James Bible (like you should :o)
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces:



Definition of Force - Fortresses from Strong's Hebrew/Greek Concordance

zw[m Ma`owz (maw-oze'); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 4581


place or means of safety, protection, refuge, stronghold
place of safety, fastness, harbour, stronghold
refuge (of God) (fig.)
human protection (fig.)

KJV Word Usage and Count
strength 24
strong 4
fortress 3
hold 2
forces 1
fort 1
rock 1
strengthen 1

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He mentioned South Africa

Postby Einston on Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:17 am

He mentioned South Africa in his speech. South Africa is the leader on the African Continent in many respects. Our current leaders understand the fact that peace with your neighbour is accomplished by ignoring all his wrong doings. [here in Africa that is..] If this rule is taken away, you will see nothing but war here..

It has come to my mind that had the US government been in charge here in South Africa, we would have taken the Zimbabwean government out by force long ago. Our leaders are also actively involved with the Chinese, Russians and of late, the Saodi Arabians.

Russia is our brother in nukes and arms...
China is our broher in finance and trade...
Saodi Arabia is our brother in oil...

The color of the brestplates on our tanks is likely to be red when the time comes for the 4 angels to be loosed that is bound by the great river Euphrates.. [2nd woe - Revelation]
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One thing clear

Postby brett on Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:43 am

This guy has big plans! Strong ambitions! He seems to think of himself as the only man who has the solutions for mankinds future. I can see this man declaring himself God at some point in the future, the leader who has all the answers for mankinds future. After reading some of the above speech seems he thinks himself superior and right in everything he says.

I don't like him and yes he bothers me too.

I find his G-10 proposal VERY interesting ! I would like to find out more about his plans in this area. This seems to open a new possibility for the 10 horns, have to wait and see I guess. Sure are interesting times we live in !
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Postby krw0315 on Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:06 am

Sword of Geddon wrote:Remember that the real AC will proform many signs and wonders that will fool even the elite if possible.

Um, that should be "fool even the ELECT if possible" :grin: We know it is very possible, even definitely probable, that the "elite" will be fooled. Remember, AC will deceive by prosperity.
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Postby Sword of Geddon on Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:09 am

I thought I said elect..my bad...lol
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Postby jereome on Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:26 pm

Wickus wrote:Looking4acity wrote:

The thing is -- IMO, a G-10 Security Council seems to be in conflict with a revived Roman Empire.


I have to agree with you. I also think that the WEU fits the role better. The G10 is still just a speculation, and even if it maybe gets of the ground, I think it will just be a confirmation of Daniel's prophecy.

There is to much happening in the EU, WEU, ENP, Rec 666. Doc 666, JS to look for other things.

But like Herb always says: "I might be wrong..." But what is the odds?


Actually its not true the G-10 summit will fit much better than the WEU, in your focus on JS being the Antichrist and Europe being the revived roman empire you have closen your eyes to everything else.

For one the Kingdom of the Antichrist will be a global kingdom.

Second the Antichrist is said to be stouter than the other leaders, look at JS he looks like he cant beat himself out of a wet paper bag.

Third the Antichrist will have power over all the worlds wealth, this fits more with the G-10 than a group of 10 European nations, since the G-10 is a financial group.

Fourth the 10 kings are given powers as kings one hour with the Beast, this fits more perfectly with the G-10 summit, because they only set policy one time a year and are not kings, but the leaders of the WEU are kings all year round since they are elected officials.

As for JS authoring recommendation 666, so what is there anywhere in the Bible that specifies that the Antichrist will be the Antichrist because he authored a recommendation 666?

Nope but if we were to take Bible prophecy into account I would say that Bush or Putin fit the role of Antichrist much better because both definately look stout and menacing and at least one of them has subdued 2 out of 3 kings while Salona hasnt done anything but author some crummy legislation and talked.

Of course I doubt it will be either one of them seriously, more than likely it will be someone that isnt on the A/C finger pointing list, someone with charisma, power and clout, and someone that claims to be from the lineage of David which Solana hasnt.
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Postby Sword of Geddon on Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:41 pm

jereome wrote:
Wickus wrote:Looking4acity wrote:

The thing is -- IMO, a G-10 Security Council seems to be in conflict with a revived Roman Empire.


I have to agree with you. I also think that the WEU fits the role better. The G10 is still just a speculation, and even if it maybe gets of the ground, I think it will just be a confirmation of Daniel's prophecy.

There is to much happening in the EU, WEU, ENP, Rec 666. Doc 666, JS to look for other things.

But like Herb always says: "I might be wrong..." But what is the odds?


Actually its not true the G-10 summit will fit much better than the WEU, in your focus on JS being the Antichrist and Europe being the revived roman empire you have closen your eyes to everything else.

For one the Kingdom of the Antichrist will be a global kingdom.

Second the Antichrist is said to be stouter than the other leaders, look at JS he looks like he cant beat himself out of a wet paper bag.

Third the Antichrist will have power over all the worlds wealth, this fits more with the G-10 than a group of 10 European nations, since the G-10 is a financial group.

Fourth the 10 kings are given powers as kings one hour with the Beast, this fits more perfectly with the G-10 summit, because they only set policy one time a year and are not kings, but the leaders of the WEU are kings all year round since they are elected officials.

As for JS authoring recommendation 666, so what is there anywhere in the Bible that specifies that the Antichrist will be the Antichrist because he authored a recommendation 666?

Nope but if we were to take Bible prophecy into account I would say that Bush or Putin fit the role of Antichrist much better because both definately look stout and menacing and at least one of them has subdued 2 out of 3 kings while Salona hasnt done anything but author some crummy legislation and talked.

Of course I doubt it will be either one of them seriously, more than likely it will be someone that isnt on the A/C finger pointing list, someone with charisma, power and clout, and someone that claims to be from the lineage of David which Solana hasnt.


Regarding the amounts of times 666 has appeared with Javier Solana, and the fact that there are no cowinadinces with regards to international events, I find your post without merit. And the fact that your rude to top it all off makes me suspect that the enemy is using you to point the finger away from what everyone has been looking toward: The WEU Beast.
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Postby Wickus on Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:18 pm

Jerome wrote:

Second the Antichrist is said to be stouter than the other leaders, look at JS he looks like he cant beat himself out of a wet paper bag.


Correct me if I am wrong, but is it in the Bible that the AC would be stouter than other leaders? I know he will be a deceiver, getting his power with craftfull words, Can't remember that I have read that he will have to punch somebody on the nose to get his rule.

The point still is; we have the facts of the WEU and Solana, so to start to speculate on G10 nations and boxing AC's will get our minds and eyes of the facts.
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Postby Sword of Geddon on Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:59 pm

Theres nowhere in the bible where it says the AC will be a thug, quite the opposite, he will woo threw words.
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Postby rch6776 on Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:49 pm

Dan 7:20 And of5922 the ten6236 horns7162 that1768 were in his head,7217 and of the other317 which1768 came up,5559 and before4481, 6925 whom three8532 fell;5308 even of that1797 horn7162 that had eyes,5870 and a mouth6433 that spoke4449 very great things,7260 whose look2376 was more stout7229 than4481 his fellows.2273

H7229
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(Chaldee); corresponding to H7227: - captain, chief, great, lord, master, stout.

not necessarily talking about physical attributes
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Postby I've Seen Angels on Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:19 pm

Solana evokes a fear inside of MANY who are putting this together...Could he be the one called the antichrist?

When I first came to this sight I read about this man...then I went to another sight and read the same things as here....I didn't know whether to run into a corner and rock back and forth while sucking my thumb or to shout it from the rooftops......excited but very afraid...afraid that it may finally be coming to past...two books of the Bible that did not seem to make sense to me as a child or young adult now being revealed piece by piece.

I know fear...I have been robbed at gunpoint and fired at with a high powered shot gun...my hands have been inside a man's chest removing infection from a damaged heart...I have seen things that would make some faint and others to gasp... and once I held an infant, he was only hours old, he could not hear,he could not see, unable to cry because he was also mute...left to die because he was not perfect......alone...I feared that the breath of this tiny soul would stop blowing against my cheek where I held him tight and comforted him the best that I knew how...a young nursing student so many years ago.

Solana may or may not be the AC ....but today I have decided that I will not fear him .......... he is not to be feared if you are a child of God...the AC will not be able to read my mind (only God knows our thoughts)...He will not change my faith, only I have the power do that....and he will not cause me to stop believing in Him....because God is my father, Jesus is my advocate,my redeemer. my dearest friend and the Holy Spirit is my guide through this world. They have never....ever let me down.

Only we can give the AC power over us......and today that is what I have decided to do.........I officially have taken that power from this man Solana or whoever it might be....I only give the power and the glory to God my father, his son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit!!!!!!!!! Praise the Holy name of OUR LORD AND SAVIOR... Jesus Christ who suffered and died for our sins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a woman of FAITH AND MY FAITH IS IN HIM!!!!!!!!

I believe that He will protect his people...yes, we may suffer at the hands of the AC but our reward will be a place called Heaven, eternal life...it will be for the glory of God..........but we will not be alone in this suffering...look at the many who have suffered before us...we will be amongst the most holy.

I pray that God's will be done....


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