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It will take seven months to bury the corpses of the enemy, and seven years to cleanse the Land. The battle of Ezekel 38 and 39 must then take place BEFORE the seven years of tribulation, since the first three and one-half years of the New Caesar's reign will be one of peace (or, pseudo-peace) and in the second half of his reign the Jews will flee.
The seven years of the Beast correspond with Daniel's seventieth week. In Daniel 9: 27 we are told he makes "a firm covenant with the many," which is clearly a peace treaty with Israel, giving them rights to the land and the temple service, as indicated by other scriptures one can look at. He breaks the covenant in the middle of the week, or at the 3 1/2 year point.
Daniel 8: 25 speaks of his deceit and craftiness, and many scriptures in the B'rit Hadasha (new covenant writings, or "new testament") indicate that the world will be lulled into a false sense of security under the man of sin to come (e.g., 1 Thes. 5: 3).
. In Revelation 13: 3 the Beast receives a mortal head wound, which is miraculously healed. This is at the mid-point of the seven years, when the seventh Caesar becomes the eighth. Revelation 17: 7-18 describes the Julio-Claudian dynasty of Caesars--five have fallen (died by assasination or suicide), one is (Domitian at the time of Yochanan's, or John's writing), and one is about to come OUT OF THE ABYSS. This one (the fifth, Nero) is decsribed as re-emerging as a seventh and an eighth in this lineage. The New Roman Empire (the EU with the ten horns of the WEU) becomes none other than a continuation of the Julio-Claudian dynasty when the New Caesar is elected. The one to come is a man of pseudo-peace for the first half of the "week," and a man who exalts himself above God in the second half, when he miraculously is revived.
The 666 connection comes in here, because he is none other than Nero re-embodied. (NRWN QSR in Hebraic gematria is 666, and I believe the Jewish believers knew Yochanan was referring to Nero.) Nero Caesar = 616 when using the Latin variant rather than the Greek, Neron Kaisar. Early manuscripts based on the Latin (e.g., Jerome) have 616 as a variant. The chapter also clearly describes the Roman Catholic Church, the city of Rome, and specifically, Vatican City, which the Beast and his ten military allies will level in one hour. As for the cleansing of the Land--yes, it occurs beginning with Messiah's return.
I've heard this many times, but I cannot see what evidence there is for this. The descriptions of the two wars - in Ezekiel 38 and 39, and in Revelation 20 - are strikingly similar. Not only that, but the verse in question that mentions the burning of the weapons -
nonymouse wrote:fwiw, burning wood-based weapons for fuel and heat would make great sense while camping in the wilderness (i.e., Israel's 3 1/2 years in the wilderness, the 2nd half of the 7-year covenant).
So...in the Julio-Claudian dynasty we have: #1 AUGUSTUS; #2 TIBERIUS; #3 CALIGULA; #4 CLAUDIUS; #5 NERO. Yochanan wrote the Apocalypse about 95 C.E., according to reliable sources such as Irenaeus (who would know). Nero is the one WHO WAS AND IS NOT AND IS ABOUT TO COME UP OUT OF THE ABYSS. In 17: 11 we read, "and the Beast who was and is not, HE HIMSELF IS ALSO THE EIGHTH AND IS OF THE SEVEN."
HERE ARE THE SEVEN "KINGS" (Caesars) YOCHANAN WAS REFERRING TO AND THE PERIOD OF THEIR RULE. (Remember that Rome is the "city built on seven hills.")
"FIVE ARE FALLEN" (EACH OF THESE HAVE DIED--BY SUICIDE OR ASSASINATION. THIS IS THE JULIO-CLAUDIAN DYNASTY)
1. AUGUSTUS (27 BCE TO 14 CE)
2. TIBERIUS (14 TO 37 CE)
3. CALIGULA (37 TO 41 CE)
4. CLAUDIUS (41 TO 54 CE)
5. NERO (54 TO 68 CE)
"ONE IS" (HE IS IN POWER AT THE TIME OF THE PROPHECY IN 95 CE)
6. DOMITIAN (81 TO 96 CE)
7. THE SEVENTH CAESAR. (2009-2013; HE WILL TAKE OVER SOLANA'S POST.) HIS COUNTRY OF ORIGIN WILL LIKELY BE GREECE, AS HE IS TYPIFIED BY ANTIOCHUS IV, WHOSE KINGDOM WAS MACEDONIA-GREECE. ANTIOCHUS IS ALSO KNOW AS A SYRIAN-GREEK KING.
Table of dates of the Roman Emperors from Augustus to Romulus Augustulus.
(31 or) 27 B.C. - 14 A.D.Augustus
14 - 37 Tiberius
37 - 41 Caligula
41 - 54 Claudius
54 - 68 Nero
68 - 69 Galba
69 - 79 Vespasian
79 - 81 Titus
81 - 96 Domitian
96 - 98 Nerva
98 - 117 Trajan
117 - 138 Hadrian
138 - 161 Antoninus Pius
161 - 180 Marcus Aurelius
161 - 169 Lucius Verus
177/180 - 192 Commodus
193 Didius Julianus
193 - 211 Septimius Severus
198/212 - 217 Caracalla
217 - 218 Macrinus
218 - 222 Elagabalus
222 - 235 Severus Alexander
235 - 238 Maximinus
238 Gordian I and II
238 Balbinus and Pupienus
238 - 244 Gordian III
244 - 249 Philip the Arab
249 - 251 Decius
251 - 253 Gallus
253 - 260 Valerian
254 - 268 Gallienus
268 - 270 Claudius Gothicus
270 - 275 Aurelian
275 - 276 Tacitus
276 - 282 Probus
282 - 285 Carus Carinus Numerian
297-298 Aurelius Achilleus
285-ca.310 Maximianus Herculius
285 Aelianus Iulianus
286?-297? British Emperors
293-306 Constantius I Chlorus
305-313 Maximinus Daia
305-307 Severus II
308-309 L. Domitius Alexander
306-337 Constantinus I
337-340 Constantinus II
337-350 Constans I
337-361 Constantius II
364-375 Valentinianus I
375-392 Valentinianus II
378-395 Theodosius I
383-388 Magnus Maximus
384-388 Flavius Victor
395-423 Honorius [Division of the Empire - Honorius' brother Arcadius ruled the East 395-408]
421 Constantius III
425-455 Valentinian III
455 Petronius Maximus
461-465 Libius Severus
474-475 Julius Nepos
475-476 Romulus Augustulus
OBXBob: One needs to look only at reliable information sources such as wikipedia.com and key in "Julio Caludian dynasty" to come up with the five I have listed. These are not arbitrary. This was the ultimate "dysfunctional familiy" of history, which brings us to another point I'll post later: the "little horn" of Daniel springs up AMONG THE TEN and AFTER THE TEN.
While Nero happens to be the 5th Caesar (so far, so good), Domitian IS NOT Emperor #6. He is #11. Below is a list of all the emperors of Rome. Now, if one wants to make a special, unique grouping of only those in the JJulio-Claudian Dynasty as being counted in Revelation 17:10 (I'm not sure on what Biblical grounds one could make this unique grouping), there is a problem in that Domitian is NOT considered to be in the Julio-Claudian Dynasty. Actually, Domitian was the last emperor of the Flavian dynasty, which ruled the Roman Empire between 69 and 96. Others before him in this dynasty happened to be be his father, Vespasian (69–79), his elder brother Titus (79–81), and finally Domitian. (There were three 'other' 3 emperors in 69 AD).
As for the "kings or kingdoms" questions, I started a new thread entitled "four kingdoms of man in God's economy." It shows the interrelationship between Daniel's four kingdoms and the seven kings of Revelation. (From your wording, OBXBob, it sounds like you may have read it already.)
As for the Solana issue, he has already ruled more than seven years, has not died and come back to life, and in no way, shape or form fits the "prophile" of the large, powerful, and menacing presence described all through Daniel's writings and those of the Apocalypse. One good site to check out is http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/antichrist.htm. The article on the AntiChrist is by William Arnold III. It is not ENTIRELY accurate (but what is?); nonetheless it is very well put together in terms of "sizing up the Beast." Shalom! Back later...overcomer 1
Many believe this 'could' be referring to the 6th kingdom, the Roman Empire, being wounded to death, and the reformed Roman Empire was the 'healing', and all the world wondered at that (the rebirth of the Roman Empire.)
I have heard this teaching also, but did all the world wonder at this????
Can we see this really shown in history???? I think most of the world did not even know or give a care when this happened because most people were barely able to keep alive, hardly paying attention to what happened. Just my opinion here.
I think this is part of the Seventh Day Adventist teaching that the empire was divided into the ten, and all of that, and the Pope came on the scene as antichrist. At least it goes something like this.
I'm not saying I know with 100% certainty that I know what John was referencing in verse 10, but at the time of John, 5 great kingdoms who had ruled over Israel had fallen (#1 Egyptians, #2 Assyrians,#3 Babylonians, #4 Medo-Persians #5 Greeks.) Who was the 'kingdom' at the time of John that he would be calling the 6th? It is the Roman Empire.
Let's look at those last two verses more closely: The Beast, or Anti-Messiah, or Eighth Caesar (a) Once ruled; (b) Is now dead, at the time of Yochanan's writing; (c) Is about to come up out of the abyss, only to go into the lake of fire; (d) Is called the Eighth (Caesar); (e) Is of, or BELONGS TO (the lineage of) the seven, and, again, his destiny is the lake of fire. Nero once was and will re-emerge from the abyss to become the eighth. The seventh (who reigns for 3 1/2 years, then dies) is merely the body which he inhabits.
overcomer 1 wrote:In 17: 17 God puts it into the hearts of these ten leaders to "give their kingdom to the Beast." (Here the finacial / political / military accord of the ten leaders in question makes it clear that such an alliance IS a kingdom. The full-fledged beast-kingdom, whereby the 8th Caesar shares his power and authority, lasts for one hour only--just long enough for them to do his bidding in destroying Vatican City.)
Thus, we see that the term "ten horns" is used interchangeably for INDIVIDUAL LEADERS and for a CONFEDERATION (a "kingdom").
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