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Postby rhonda123 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:29 am

In his first General Audience of 2008, Benedict XVI explains devotion to Mary, Mother of God and with an ecumenical slant opens to Protestants and Orthodox. Greetings for 2008 “under the sign of the Blessed Virgin”.

Vatican City (AsiaNews) – A “Christmas” catechesis, was delivered by Benedict XVI today in his first Wednesday general audience of 2008. Leaving aside his usual programme- in which he presents the figures of the early Fathers of the Church – he dedicated today’s meetings with pilgrims in the Paul VI audience hall to understanding “the presence of Mary in the life of the church as well as our own personal lives”.

“In this holiday season - the pope said – we have stopped to reflect upon the representation of the Nativity in the Christmas crib. At the very centre of this scene we find the Virgin Mother who offers the Infant Jesus to the contemplation of all those who make their way to adore the Saviour: the shepherds, the poor people of Bethlehem, the three magi from the East. Later on, on the feast of the “Presentation of Our Lord” which we celebrate on February 2nd, old Simeon and Ann the prophetess receive the small Child from the hands of the Virgin Mother and adore Him. Christian devotion has always considered the birth of Jesus and Mary’s Divine Motherhood as two aspects of the same mystery, the mystery of the incarnation of the Divine Word and that is why it has never considered the Nativity as something from the past. We are the “contemporaries” of those shepherds, the wise men, Simeon and Ann as we follow them we are full of joy, because God chose to be God-with-us and has a mother who is our mother”.

The pope ‘s reflection centred on the title of “Mother of God” (Theotokos), a title given to the virgin since the III century and officially decreed with the Council of Ephesus (431 A.D). “With that title” he explained “it was underlined that Christ is God and was really born as a man from Mary”: thus his “unity of true God and True man is preserved”.
The pope’s reasoning has an ecumenical flavour: showing the “Christological” nature of devotion to Mary Mother of God and its bond to the faith of the early Church, in a certain way he is answering to protestant criticism which often deride Catholic “Marian devotion”.

The pontiff explained that all other titles with which the Church honours the Madonna are derived from “the title ‘Mother of God’”, among them that of the “Immaculate Conception” and “Assumption”. In fact the dogma of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption are not accepted by the Orthodox because they were declared when the church was already separated. But by illustrating their close bond with the title Theotokos (which the orthodox accept) he shows that it even on this point full communion is possible.

All of these “titles” or “privileges”, explained Benedict XVI, “are not given to distance Mary from us but on the contrary to bring her closer to us; in fact by being totally with God, this Woman is also very near to us and helps us like a mother and sister”. It was on consideration of this “nearness” that, “during the Second Vatican Council, on November 21st 1964, Paul VI solemnly attributed the title of ‘Mother of the Church’ to Mary”.

The pope concluded: “Dear brothers and sisters, in these first days of the year, we are invited to carefully consider the importance of Mary’s presence in the life of the Church and our own personal existence. We entrust ourselves to Her so that She may guide our steps during this new period of time and that the Lord gift us life, and help us to be authentic friends of His Son and thus courageous architects of His Kingdom on the earth, a Kingdom of light and of truth. Happy New Year to you all! This is my wish to all of you present at this first General audience of 2008. That the new year which has begun under the sign of the Blessed Virgin, helps us feel more vigorously her maternal presence, so that we may be sustained and comforted by her protection, and thus contemplate with renewed vision the face of her Son Jesus and walk with greater energy along the path of good”.
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Postby daffodyllady on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:32 pm

I just don't feel right about the nativity figurines so prevalent in protestant homes. I don't think any of the protestant leaders of the reformation would have approved.

I need to tell you of a recent experience I had. About 3 weeks ago, I was approached by a hispanic man, who tried to communicate with me. He saw my mennonite style of long dress and headcovering, and thus felt he could ask me something. I had an awful time trying to figure out what he was saying. But I got his phone number and name, and told him I would get him in touch with someone who could talk with him.

So I gave his number to a man in our church, who was formerly a missionary to Guatamala.

The man showed up at church recently, in the company of this former missionary.

I asked the missionary what the fellow wanted.... Guess what?

He was looking for a church that had no images.

Just a challenge.

Are we children of the reformation so blinded by our new traditions, that we would reject the spiritual light once embraced by our forefathers?
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Postby Passion on Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:45 pm

Wow, Daffodyllady, what a neat experience! Bless you for being willing to a vessel for God, despite the language barrier! :grin: :a2:
"But as for me, I will watch expectantly for the Lord; I will wait for the God of my salvation. My God will hear me. Do not rejoice over me, O my enemy. Though I fall I will rise; Though I dwell in darkness, the Lord is a light for me."

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Postby Rich Kelley on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:11 am

We entrust ourselves to Her so that She may guide our steps during this new period of time and that the Lord gift us life, and help us to be authentic friends of His Son

This as readers of the Bible know, has no Scriptural backing what so ever. This also sets up a false teaching in that the statement claims the need of Mary in order to "Guide our steps". There is a song that one of the verses is "I am a friend of God", and I enjoy the song when I hear it, but the above "help us to be authentic FRIENDS of His Son" makes me wonder about being side tracked. He is Lord and Savior first, the "Friends" needs some caution. Many of the Problems in the family today is parents wanting to be "Friends" and not parents. Can both happen, I'm sure they can, but the Holy Spirit is the only Guide I'm aware of.
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Postby IRQ Conflict on Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:16 pm

Note the capital letters used to denote Marys "deity'? :roll:
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