62 and 42

[dolfseal]

I don't know if anyone else has stumbled across this in doing prophecy math. This is quite simple actually.
I look at all of Daniels prophecies as dual in nature. They apply to the end of the previous age (before the Holy Spirit arrived on the scene) and to the end of this age.
Daniel 9 states there will be 7 weeks and 62 weeks. I see these as seperate time frames or it would say 69 weeks. I am assuming the 62 applies to our last days. If we take 62 years (yes, I know it says weeks, and I don't know why it would mean years (yet)) from the time of the Decree by the United Nations to form Israel (29 Nov, 1947) and add them together 1947 + 62 we get Nov 2009.
If we take the Jubilee cycle from the time Israel took control of the Holy Mountain (1967) and add 42years (the amount of time a Jubilee cycle is minus the last 7 years) we get 2009. Is it possible we start the Trib near the end of 2009?
What are the odds Israels appearance on the scene this century lines up with two of the biggest time pieces in the Bible and come out at the same year?
Everyone says the gap between the 69 weeks and the final week are unknown until it happens. What if God did put the exact time line in the Bible according to Israels existance, seems logical to me.
How many things are scheduled to happen in Nov 2009? I believe something very big with the EU if the Treaty Gets Ratified.

[mrgravyard49]

OHH Dolfseal I PRAY soo much you are right. I want out of this world NOW!!!!!!!

[dolfseal]

If the EU puts the Treaty together by Dec 01, that would be right on schedule to be exactly 62 years after the declaration to establish Israel on 29 Nov 1947. I really think 2010 is going to be a telling year of where we are in Prophecy.

[mrgravyard49]

Just wondered if anyone else had opinions on this?

[dolfseal]

Ok, I found my possible link for the week being a year. Daniel 9:2 " 2In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. Can we assume this to be a double fulfillment since it is the header to the chapter. Since the chapter talks about both that time and the end time, could 70 years be the clue. It has been 62 years since the Decree to establish Israel, ONLY 7 to go until Christ is with us?

[Mrs. B]

62 and 42.....


Mark 14:24......BUT IN THOSE DAYS.......AFTER THAT TRIBULATION.......

the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25...And the stars of heaven shall fall,
and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken...

26....AND THEN SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS
with Great Power and Glory....

27......AND THEN....shall he send His Angels...
and shall Gather Together His Elect...

AND SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT...
from the four winds, from the Uttermost Part of the Earth to the Uttermost part of heaven....


28....NOW learn a parable of the fig tree;
When her branch is yet tender,
and putteth forth leaves,
Ye know that summer is near:

29....So ye in like manner,
when ye shall see these things come to pass,
know that it is nigh, even at the doors....

Now notice this...
30....VERLY I SAY UNTO YOU, that This Generation
shall not pass, Till all these things be done....

This all begins with this Generation....




Also....AFTER THAT TRIBULATION....

What Tribulation?


In Luke..21:20.....And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,

JERUSALEM COMPASSED WITH ARMIES....only Luke says this....
When ye shall see Jerusalem Compassed with armies....
then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.....

21...THEN Let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains:
and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;
and let not them that are in the countries enter therein...

22....FOR THESE BE THE DAYS OF VENGEANCE...
That all things which are written may be Fulfilled...
23....But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days!
for there shall be Great Distress in the Land..
AND Wrath Upon This People....

24....And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be Trodden Down of the GENTILES,
UNTIL THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES BE FULFILLED.....
Daniel 9:27....And He (Jesus) shall confirm the covenant with many for one Week:
This is when the Jews Will Get Saved as a Nation....
Jesus shall confirm the blood covenant with many..this is the Short Work that Paul wrote about...in
ROMANS

Rom. 11:25....For I would not...Brethren that ye should be ignorant of THIS MYSTERY,
LEST Ye should be wise in your own conceits;
That Blindness in part is Happened to Israel,
UNTIL THE FULNESS OF THE GENTILES BE COME IN,

26.....And so all Israel shall be saved:
as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliver,
and shall Turn Away Ungodliness from Jacob:

27....For This is MY Covenant unto them,
When I shall Take Away Their Sins.

28....As concerning the Gospel......they are enemies for your sakes:
But as touching the Election,
They are Beloved for the father's sake....
(the fathers's...Abraham, Issac, Jacob....God Promised)
29...For the Gifts and calling of God are without repentance....

30....For as ye (Paul is writting to the Gentiles) for as ye in times past have NOT believed God,
yet have Now Obtained mercy through their (the Jews) unbelief:
31....Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32....FOR GOD hath concluded them ALL IN UNBELIEF.....That He might Have Mercy Upon All....


The Gentiles sins are Full....so God Does a Short Work to again Give the Jews a Chance to be Saved...

World Judgment Begins at Jerusalem.....

So there is a dual...prophcey
When Jesus came and the Gospel was Preached.....the Jews Rejected Him....
So the Gospel went into all the World...to the Gentiles......and at the End
When the sins of the Gentiles are full.....
God again does a short work to bring the Jews into the Kingdom....
This is Daniel 9:27.....And He shall Confirm the Covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease....

Without the sacrifice (the Blood of Jesus sacrifice you cannot be saved....
the doors of salvation will be closed.....and the wrath of God is Poured out on the world...

so we have church judgment and World Judgment...Beginning at Jerusalem......
When you see Jerusalem then Know that the Abomination of Desolation is at hand...

27b.....and for the overspreading of abominations....He shall make it desolate...
even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate....


Mrs. B

[mark s]

62 and 42.....


Mark 14:24......BUT IN THOSE DAYS.......AFTER THAT TRIBULATION.......

the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25...And the stars of heaven shall fall,
and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken...

26....AND THEN SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS
with Great Power and Glory....

27......AND THEN....shall he send His Angels...
and shall Gather Together His Elect...

AND SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT...
from the four winds, from the Uttermost Part of the Earth to the Uttermost part of heaven....

Hi Mrs. B,

In the Pre-Trib view, this is commonly understood to be the gathering of Israel back to their promised inheritance, the land of Israel, to receive their promised kingdom, as Jesus will re-establish the throne of David, and Jesus will rule the earth from Jerusalem during His 1000 year reign.

This was promised and prophesied specifically for Israel, many times in the Old Testament, and those promises and prophecies will certainly be fulfilled.

As the New Testament church, we must never make the mistake of thinking that the church has replaced Israel, and therefore the promises to Israel are transfered to the church. Rather, we recognize that God has His plans and purposes for Israel, and He will indeed fulfill them, though currently He is calling out a church from all nations.

If you wish to debate the pre-trib view, please post a new thread in the prophecy debate forum, or use one of the many existing threads in that forum, as this forum specifically prohibits debating the pre-trib rapture view.

Love in Christ,
mark