millenium/eternity question

[Truthinlove]

I posted this in another forum, but since I am prewrath, I would like to hear from other prewrathers what occurs after the millenium.

So, what happens after the millenium? I know it will be eternal, but where?

Let me back up....heaven that currently exists....what happens to it during the millenium here on earth? Is it empty? Does it cease to exist?

After the millenium in the NJ here on earth, do we go back to heaven (as we know it now) or do we stay on earth for all eternity?

Also, what becomes of the mortals after the millenium? I know the wicked will be judged at the Great White Throne and will be cast into the lake of fire, but what of the rest? Do they enter into eternity with mortal bodies? Are they transformed?

I did get some answers in the other thread. IF the new heavens and earth are created AFTER the millenium, that makes sense to me.

However, if the new heavens and the new earth are created BEFORE the millenium and some who hold to the prewrath view suggest, then I am confused!

What will happen to the righteous mortals after the millenium in regards to eternity?

[nike]

Hi, Truthinlove,

Wow...you don't ask easy questions, do you? To be honest with you, I have dragged my feet on jumping into this one because I don't hold the traditional view of the New Heavens and New Earth being created before the Millennial rule, so I think any answer I give might get pummeled by, well...somebody or everybody! But, I guess if we are working through this together we can't learn anything unless we discuss, so here I go...

I have actually been wrestling with the timing of the NH and NE, as well as the New Jerusalem, for several months now. This thread http://www.fulfilledprophecy.com/discus ... 51&t=50624 actually discussed the timeline issue a bit (mostly on the second page), but since then I have continued to dig and unfortunately seem to have more doubts about the NH, NE and NJ being part of the Millennial Kingdom. I do not claim to know all the scripture to study and it seems that when I get a handle on one passage, another is tossed in my path and things get muddled again.

Your questions were many and so before I go on a long treatise and don't even touch the question you were asking, could you do this for me - could you simplify your question and let me know exactly what you are seeking? Are you wondering about eternity in general, or are you wondering about the NH, NE, and NJ in relationship to the Millennium? I just know where my mind has been dwelling and don't want to assume that is where you are as well...

Also, I am curious if you have read the book "Heaven" by Randy Alcorn? It's a great read, not that everything he says I agree with, but he really gets your imagination going and your heart soaring for life after death! He lays out a lot of scripture and then postulates on what it could mean - I am not describing it well, but it is really a great book to focus on heaven. It is biblical, don't get me wrong. It's just where the text allows for some creative imagination, he throws out a lot of possibilities and it's a lot of fun!

I'll wait for your clarification - one final note - I am not sure we are given the answer to all of your questions and for those, we just have to accept the fact that at the present time, we don't need to have the answers...God holds the future in His hands so it's one less thing for us to worry about!

nike

[Abiding in His Word]

I posted this in another forum, but since I am prewrath, I would like to hear from other prewrathers what occurs after the millenium.

So, what happens after the millenium? I know it will be eternal, but where?

Let me back up....heaven that currently exists....what happens to it during the millenium here on earth? Is it empty? Does it cease to exist?

After the millenium in the NJ here on earth, do we go back to heaven (as we know it now) or do we stay on earth for all eternity?

I believe the final "heaven" for all believers will be a restored earth. It was specifically designed by God as a dwelling place for mankind and though cursed as a result of sin, will be restored as originally intended.

.......and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. Act 3:20-21

Then He said to the man, "Stretch out your hand!" He stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. Matt 12:13

God is in the restoration/healing business. He determined to restore/heal mankind morally, physically, and most importantly, spiritually. When that is accomplished, we will dwell forever with Him in a restored earth.

....They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day Gen 3:8

.... And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them Rev 21:3

Rev. 21 and 22 parallel the original garden where God and man dwelled together on earth.

[Truthinlove]

Your questions were many and so before I go on a long treatise and don't even touch the question you were asking, could you do this for me - could you simplify your question and let me know exactly what you are seeking? Are you wondering about eternity in general, or are you wondering about the NH, NE, and NJ in relationship to the Millennium? I just know where my mind has been dwelling and don't want to assume that is where you are as well...

Sure, I will try to simplify, hopefully it won't sound more complicated. I am definitely fond of asking questions!

If the NH/NE are created during the 45 day period, right before the millenium, then....

1) What happens after the millenium? Eternity, I know, but where? Will it just be a continuance of the NH/NE/NJ?
Or would we spend eternity in heaven, as we know it now?

2) What becomes of heaven? Does it cease to exist? Scriptures, if there are any....?

3) What happens to the righteous MORTALS after the millenium? They don't enter into eternity with their mortal bodies, right? So, are they transformed, like the living will be at the rapture? Any Scriptures on this?

IF the NH/NE come after the millenium, then that would make more sense in a way, because that would be eternity and it would be differentiated from the millenium. However...

4) Where would the millenium be? Surely not on the decimated earth?

Also, I am curious if you have read the book "Heaven" by Randy Alcorn?

No, not yet. I have heard about it, but I just have too many books to read right now. Maybe someday, it does sound fascinating.

[Truthinlove]

I posted this in another forum, but since I am prewrath, I would like to hear from other prewrathers what occurs after the millenium.

So, what happens after the millenium? I know it will be eternal, but where?

Let me back up....heaven that currently exists....what happens to it during the millenium here on earth? Is it empty? Does it cease to exist?

After the millenium in the NJ here on earth, do we go back to heaven (as we know it now) or do we stay on earth for all eternity?

I believe the final "heaven" for all believers will be a restored earth. It was specifically designed by God as a dwelling place for mankind and though cursed as a result of sin, will be restored as originally intended.

.......and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. Act 3:20-21

Then He said to the man, "Stretch out your hand!" He stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. Matt 12:13

God is in the restoration/healing business. He determined to restore/heal mankind morally, physically, and most importantly, spiritually. When that is accomplished, we will dwell forever with Him in a restored earth.

....They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day Gen 3:8

.... And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them Rev 21:3

Rev. 21 and 22 parallel the original garden where God and man dwelled together on earth.

Thank you Abiding....

What do you think about the timing though?
See my questions above.

Also, any input on what happens to the righteous mortals living and born during the millenium after the millenium is over?

[nike]

I agree with Abiding that we were created to inhabit the earth, therefore our future is on a restored earth, with God's perfect intent for creating us restored as well. As for mortals during the millennium...those that survive the day of the Lord will not be in resurrected bodies and will have to eventually experience physical death. Their offspring, which over the thousand years will repopulate the earth, will be born in corrupt bodies, since they were conceived through parents with sin natures, and will have to die as well, or like Abiding said, be restored. Isaiah 65:20 tells us that there will be death, but people will live much longer than they do today, though it seems they will not have the aging as the pre-flood society. As to exactly how their regeneration happens after death, I don't believe we are given the information to answer - is it like a video game, where they die and suddenly appear whole? Couldn't tell you, except for the fact we don't have to worry about it, since it's God's plan, not ours...

As for question 4, I think it would be on the decimated earth. But then I would probably need to start defending why I think the NH, NE and NJ are post millennium at this point, and I think I'll wait until your other questions are answered by others...

nike

[jgilberAZ]

NH ?
NE ?
NJ ?

New Hampshire?
New England?
New Jersey?

[nike]

New Heavens
New Earth
New Jerusalem

Sorry...

[Truthinlove]

Maybe Orange Mailman will take a stab at my questions....??

[amessenger4god]

In my opinion, just take the Bible for what it plainly says:

1.) Good world

2.) Then Fallen world

3.) Christ comes and dies for our redemption

4.) Fallen world continues, but the redeemed live in it

5.) Christ returns, His followers are raised imperishable/immortal

6.) Christ reigns over the nations for 1,000 years while satan is locked up

7.) satan is released for one last battle, the wicked dead are raised and judged

8.) Wicked people, demons, satan, death, and hades are destroyed in the lake of fire

9.) The earth and all the elements are burned up and dissolved completely

10.) God creates a NEW heaven and a NEW earth

11.) Eternity...

[kirthril]

After the millinium the current earth and the current Heavin will be wiped away.

The Great White throne Judgement will then take place, and all those who never believed will get their eternal punishment.

After that, a new heaven and a new earth (presumably a much bigger earth) will be created.

The new Jerusalem a 1200mile by 1200mile city will descend from the heavens to the earth and will be our (humans) eternal dwelling place.

So we will spend eternity here on a new earth and in jerusalem. Angels.... i dont know, probably will go back and forth from heaven to earth. But God will be here on earth, shining from the new city.

Its all in the final few chapters of Revelation.

[The Orange Mailman]

Maybe Orange Mailman will take a stab at my questions....??

Truth In Love-

The truth in love is that I'm just as confused as everyone else.

Have fun and stay busy - Luke 19:13

-The Orange Mailman

[Truthinlove]

After the millinium the current earth and the current Heavin will be wiped away.

The Great White throne Judgement will then take place, and all those who never believed will get their eternal punishment.

After that, a new heaven and a new earth (presumably a much bigger earth) will be created.

The new Jerusalem a 1200mile by 1200mile city will descend from the heavens to the earth and will be our (humans) eternal dwelling place.

So we will spend eternity here on a new earth and in jerusalem. Angels.... i dont know, probably will go back and forth from heaven to earth. But God will be here on earth, shining from the new city.

Its all in the final few chapters of Revelation.

ok, thank you.

That still leaves my questions though.

1) Will the millenium take place on the decimated earth after the DOTL, or will it be in heaven?

2) What happens to the righteous MORTALS that live during the millenium, how do they enter into eternity in their mortal bodies?

[Truthinlove]

Maybe Orange Mailman will take a stab at my questions....??

Truth In Love-

The truth in love is that I'm just as confused as everyone else.

Have fun and stay busy - Luke 19:13

-The Orange Mailman

Well, I guess I should just accept that I won't know the answers to my questions...

[kirthril]

After the millinium the current earth and the current Heavin will be wiped away.

The Great White throne Judgement will then take place, and all those who never believed will get their eternal punishment.

After that, a new heaven and a new earth (presumably a much bigger earth) will be created.

The new Jerusalem a 1200mile by 1200mile city will descend from the heavens to the earth and will be our (humans) eternal dwelling place.

So we will spend eternity here on a new earth and in jerusalem. Angels.... i dont know, probably will go back and forth from heaven to earth. But God will be here on earth, shining from the new city.

Its all in the final few chapters of Revelation.

ok, thank you.

That still leaves my questions though.

1) Will the millenium take place on the decimated earth after the DOTL, or will it be in heaven?

2) What happens to the righteous MORTALS that live during the millenium, how do they enter into eternity in their mortal bodies?

1. Yes the 1000 years will take place on the decimated earth. But i surmise it will only take a hundred years or so to clean everything up since all christians and old testament saints to ever have lived will all be living at this time. Thats a few billion people to help clean up the earth.

2. Well, when the earth and heaven are wiped away after the last gog/magog led by satan himself, and the great white throne is set up, those mortals who lived during the milinium who followed God/Jesus would be changed instantly into immortal bodies. Would make sense since a mortal body cant survive w/o oxygen.