Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

by **blessedayers** on Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:38 am

Because teachers belong to a union that has hog tied the system...it is next to impossible to fire them.... this is an outrage. And exactly why the public school system is so bad. 
 
Who wouldnt want a job that gives paid summers off...and that is almost impossible to be fired from no matter how bad you are. Dos osme research on this and you too will be shocked at the hand slapping that goes on....like the catholic church....the public school system just sends their problems to another district or state. 
 
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Denver Archdiocese uncovers sexual abuse bias for public school teachers 
 
CATHOLIC NEWS AGENCY - February 14, 2006 - In a continuing battle against what many of the state’s faithful call an unfair bias against Catholics, the Archdiocese of Denver has uncovered a previously unseen, but sordid list of sexual abuses by many of Colorado’s public school teachers. 
 
The Archdiocese has lifted the lid on some 85 Colorado Department of Education reports of sexual impropriety among teachers since 1997. Reportedly, the state had revoked or denied teaching licenses, all for reasons involving sexual misconduct with minors. But critics charge, the punishment ended there. 
 
According to a report in Denver’s Rocky Mountain News, the list revealed teachers  “who prey on grade-schoolers, plying them with love notes…Teachers who download pornography on their desktop computers while students sit before them…Teachers who encourage students to meet them surreptitiously after school, on out-of-town trips, and who give them marijuana or alcohol in exchange for sex.”  
 
Recently, all three of Colorado’s bishops blasted proposed state legislation which seeks to eliminate or modify statutes of limitation allowing sexual abuse victims to wait up to 40 years before filing suits against Catholic and other private institutions in the state... 
 
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For I will give you a mouth and wisdom... 
which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. Luk 21:15 
Jody ***Psalms 119***</div>

by **blessedayers** on Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:06 am

John Stossel's "Myths, Lies and Nasty Behavior" 
 
Posted by Peri in whatever 
 
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>No. 3 — MYTH: Public Schools for Poor Kids, Not Politicians' Kids 
 
Sadly, it's also a myth that the people who fight for public schools always send their own kids to those public schools. You'd think they would. They're so passionate about the public schools. But, no. 
 
This is one of those do as I say, not as I do things. Politicans who promote public schools don't always send their kids to them. 
 
Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., has called public education the "cornerstone of our democracy." But when she and her husband lived in the White House, they sent their daughter, Chelsea, to the elite Sidwell Friends private school. 
 
When asked about it, President Clinton told ABC News, "We had to make the decision just for our daughter." 
 
Well, sure he did. All of us want to do that, but not everyone can afford a private school. So what do you do if you're poor and live where the public schools are bad? 
 
Are your kids just trapped? 
 
Last month a student at an Ohio school videotaped his friend beating up a classmate. The teacher didn't notice because she was helping other students. 
 
Sylvia Lopez lives in one of the most dangerous cities in America: Camden, N.J., where her kids heard scary things about public school. 
 
So, Lopez scrapes together what little money she has to pay for a private school. But Ivan Foster can't afford to do that for his two kids. 
 
"Something needs to be done now. You cannot take my tax dollars and tell me you're not going to help me help my children," Foster said. 
 
He wishes he could take his tax dollars and use them to send his kids to a private school. 
 
It's not that the Camden schools are starved for money. The district spends almost $15,000 per pupil. Even assuming as few as 20 kids per class, that's almost $300,000 per classroom. Think about that — $300,000! Think what you could do with that money for one classroom. Hire five good teachers? Where does the government-run school money go? I don't know. But, if parents aren't happy with how that money's being spent, shouldn't they be allowed to take that money somewhere else? Say, a private school. 
 
That's an idea many politicians oppose. President Clinton, for example, said, "I'm unalterably opposed to a voucher system to give people public money to take to private schools." But that didn't stop him from sending his own daughter to a private school. In fact, nearly half of members in Congress with children send or have sent at least one of their kids to a private school. 
 
Sens. Lincoln Chaffee, R-R.I., and Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., for example, sent their children to private schools yet they opposed proposals to let money follow the student to whatever school they choose. 
 
The senators and most of the congressmen would not agree to be interviewed about this, but Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., D-Ill., would. His father, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, sent him to high school at the exclusive St. Alban's school in Washington, D.C. — that's the same place that former Vice President Al Gore sent his son. Tuition there is now more than $23,000. 
 
But even though Jackson enjoyed the benefits of a private education, he votes against vouchers that would allow parents with less money have what he had. He says we should focus on fixing the public school system. 
 
"When I went to high school, my parents did not have access to a voucher," he said. 
 
But his parents had the money to afford it. Lots of other parents don't. So, why won't he vote to let them have the choice his parents had? "No one is keeping them locked in now. They can make decisions for themselves," he said. 
 
The parent without money is stuck, stuck in the prison of the government monopoly. 
 
"I wouldn't call it necessarily a prison," he said. But, he added, "It's not the best possible education system that's available." 
 
Where will Jackson send his kids? 
 
"They will probably do a combination of both public, private, parochial, secular. I want them to have the best possible education that I can provide for them," he said. 
 
So, shouldn't Sylvia Lopez and Ivan Foster have the same options? 
 
Lopez calls politicians hypocrites. "The legislators that send their kids to private schools, but don't think that we should have the power to do that, they're hypocrites. 
 
And would the politicians ever send one of their kids to the public school in her Camden neighborhood? Lopez said, "No way. They would never send their children, their distant cousins. I doubt they would even send their dogs to get training from one of these public schools." 
 
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For I will give you a mouth and wisdom... 
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Jody ***Psalms 119***</div>

by **blessedayers** on Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:15 am

John Stossel's 'Stupid in America' 
 
How Lack of Choice Cheats Our Kids Out of a Good Education 
 
By JOHN STOSSEL 
 
Jan. 13, 2006 — 
"Stupid in America" is a nasty title for a program about public education, but some nasty things are going on in America's public schools and it's about time we face up to it. 
 
Kids at New York's Abraham Lincoln High School told me their teachers are so dull students fall asleep in class. One student said, "You see kids all the time walking in the school smoking weed, you know. It's a normal thing here." 
 
 
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Stupid in America: video Link 
Unhelpful Unions?: video link 
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We tried to bring "20/20" cameras into New York City schools to see for ourselves and show you what's going on in the schools, but officials wouldn't allow it. 
 
Washington, D.C., officials steered us to the best classrooms in their district. 
 
We wanted to tape typical classrooms but were turned down in state after state. 
 
Finally, school officials in Washington, D.C., allowed "20/20" to give cameras to a few students who were handpicked at two schools they'd handpicked. One was Woodrow Wilson High. Newsweek says it's one of the best schools in America. Yet what the students taped didn't inspire confidence. 
 
One teacher didn't have control over the kids. Another "20/20" student cameraman videotaped a boy dancing wildly with his shirt off, in front of his teacher. 
 
If you're like most American parents, you might think "These things don't happen at my kid's school." A Gallup Poll survey showed 76 percent of Americans were completely or somewhat satisfied with their kids' public school. 
 
Education reformers like Kevin Chavous have a message for these parents: If you only knew. 
 
Even though people in the suburbs might think their schools are great, Chavous says, "They're not. That's the thing and the test scores show that." 
 
Chavous and many other education professionals say Americans don't know that their public schools, on the whole, just aren't that good. Because without competition, parents don't know what their kids might have had. 
 
And while many people say, "We need to spend more money on our schools," there actually isn't a link between spending and student achievement. 
 
Jay Greene, author of "Education Myths," points out that "If money were the solution, the problem would already be solved … We've doubled per pupil spending, adjusting for inflation, over the last 30 years, and yet schools aren't better." 
 
He's absolutely right. National graduation rates and achievement scores are flat, while spending on education has increased more than 100 percent since 1971. More money hasn't helped American kids. 
 
Ben Chavis is a former public school principal who now runs an alternative charter school in Oakland, Calif., that spends thousands of dollars less per student than the surrounding public schools. He laughs at the public schools' complaints about money. 
 
"That is the biggest lie in America. They waste money," he said. 
 
To save money, Chavis asks the students to do things like keep the grounds picked up and set up for their own lunch. For gym class, his students often just run laps around the block. All of this means there's more money left over for teaching. 
 
Even though he spends less money per student than the public schools do, Chavis pays his teachers more than what public school teachers earn. His school also thrives because the principal gets involved. Chavis shows up at every classroom and uses gimmicks like small cash payments for perfect attendance. 
 
Since he took over four years ago, his school has gone from being among the worst in Oakland to being the best. His middle school has the highest test scores in the city. 
 
"It's not about the money," he said. 
 
He's confident that even kids who come from broken families and poor families will do well in his school. "Give me the poor kids, and I will outperform the wealthy kids who live in the hills. And we do it," he said. 
 
Monopoly Kills Innovation and Cheats Kids 
 
Chavis's charter school is an example of how a little innovation can create a school that can change kids' lives. You don't get innovation without competition. 
 
To give you an idea of how competitive American schools are and how U.S. students performed compared with their European counterparts, we gave parts of an international test to some high school students in Belgium and in New Jersey. 
 
Belgian kids cleaned the American kids' clocks, and called them "stupid." 
 
We didn't pick smart kids to test in Europe and dumb kids in the United States. The American students attend an above-average school in New Jersey, and New Jersey's kids have test scores that are above average for America. 
 
Lov Patel, the boy who got the highest score among the American students, told me, "I'm shocked, because it just shows how advanced they are compared to us." 
 
The Belgian students didn't perform better because they're smarter than American students. They performed better because their schools are better. At age 10, American students take an international test and score well above the international average. But by age 15, when students from 40 countries are tested, the Americans place 25th. 
 
American schools don't teach as well as schools in other countries because they are government monopolies, and monopolies don't have much incentive to compete. In Belgium, by contrast, the money is attached to the kids — it's a kind of voucher system. Government funds education — at many different kinds of schools — but if a school can't attract students, it goes out of business. 
 
Belgian school principal Kaat Vandensavel told us she works hard to impress parents. 
 
She told us, "If we don't offer them what they want for their child, they won't come to our school." She constantly improves the teaching, saying, "You can't afford 10 teachers out of 160 that don't do their work, because the clients will know, and won't come to you again." 
 
"That's normal in Western Europe," Harvard economist Caroline Hoxby told me. "If schools don't perform well, a parent would never be trapped in that school in the same way you could be trapped in the U.S." 
 
Last week Florida's Supreme Court shut down "opportunity scholarships," Florida's small attempt at competition. Public money can't be spent on private schools, said the court, because the state constitution commands the funding only of "uniform . . . high-quality" schools. Government schools are neither uniform nor high-quality, and without competition, no new teaching plan or No Child Left Behind law will get the monopoly to serve its customers well. 
 
The longer kids stay in American schools, the worse they do in international competition. They do worse than kids from poorer countries that spend much less money on education, ranking behind not only Belgium but also Poland, the Czech Republic and South Korea. 
 
This should come as no surprise if you remember that public education in the United States is a government monopoly. Don't like your public school? Tough. The school is terrible? Tough. Your taxes fund that school regardless of whether it's good or bad. That's why government monopolies routinely fail their customers. Union-dominated monopolies are even worse. 
 
In New York City, it's "just about impossible" to fire a bad teacher, says Schools Chancellor Joel Klein. The new union contract offers some relief, but it's still about 200 pages of bureaucracy. "We tolerate mediocrity," said Klein, because "people get paid the same, whether they're outstanding, average or way below average." 
 
Here's just one example from New York City: It took years to fire a teacher who sent sexually oriented e-mails to "Cutie 101," a 16-year-old student. Klein said, "He hasn't taught, but we have had to pay him, because that's what's required under the contract." 
 
Only after six years of litigation were they able to fire him. In the meantime, they paid the teacher more than $300,000. Klein said he employs dozens of teachers who he's afraid to let near the kids, so he has them sit in what are called rubber rooms. This year he will spend $20 million dollars to warehouse teachers in five rubber rooms. It's an alternative to firing them. In the last four years, only two teachers out of 80,000 were fired for incompetence. Klein's office says the new contract will make it easier to get rid of sex offenders, but it will still be difficult to fire incompetent teachers. 
 
When I confronted Randi Weingarten, president of the United Federation of Teachers, she said, "They [the NYC school board] just don't want to do the work that's entailed." But the "work that's entailed" is so onerous that most principals just have just given up, or gotten bad teachers to transfer to another school. They even have a name for it: "the dance of the lemons." 
 
Zoned Out of a Good Education 
 
I talked with 18-year-old Dorian Cain in South Carolina, who was still struggling to read a single sentence in a first-grade level book when I met him. Although his public schools had spent nearly $100,000 on him over 12 years, he still couldn't read. 
 
So "20/20" sent Dorian to a private learning center, Sylvan, to see if teachers there could teach Dorian to read when the South Carolina public schools failed to. 
 
Using computers and workbooks, Dorian's reading went up two grade levels — after just 72 hours of instruction. 
 
His mother, Gena Cain, is thrilled with Dorian's progress but disappointed with his public schools. "With Sylvan, it's a huge improvement. And they're doing what they're supposed to do. They're on point. But I can't say the same for the public schools," she said. 
 
Lying to Beat the System 
 
Gena Cain, like most parents, doesn't have a choice which public school her kids attend. She followed the rules, and her son paid the price. 
 
In San Jose, Calif., some parents break the rules to get their kids into Fremont Union schools. They're so much better than neighboring schools that parents sometimes cheat to get their kids in by pretending to live in the school district. 
 
"We have maybe hundreds of kids who are here illegally, under false pretenses," said District Superintendent Steve Rowley. 
 
Inspector John Lozano works for the district going door-to-door to check if kids really live where they say they live. And even seeing that a child is present at a particular address isn't enough. Lozano says he needs to look inside the house to make sure the student really lives there. 
 
Think about what he's doing. The school district police send him into your daughter's bedroom. He even goes through drawers and closets if he has to. 
 
At one house he found a computer and some teen magazines and pictures of a student with her friends. He decided that student passed the residency test. 
 
But a grandmother who listed an address in his district is caught. The people who answered the door when Lozano visited told him she didn't live there. 
 
Two days later, I talked with the grandmother who tried to get her grandson into the Fremont schools. 
 
"I was actually crying. I was crying in front of this 14-year-old. Why can't they just let parents to get in the school of their choice?" she asked. 
 
Why can't she make a choice? It's sad that school officials force her to go to the black market to get her grandson a better education. After we started calling the school, the school did decide to let him stay in the district. 
 
 
School-Choice Proponents Meet Resistance 
 
When the Sanford family moved from Charleston to Columbia, S.C., the family had a big concern: Where would the kids go to school? In most places, you must attend the public school in the zone where you live, but the middle school near the Sanford's new home was rated below average. 
 
It turned out, however, that this didn't pose a problem for this family, because the reason the Sanfords moved to Columbia was that Mark Sanford had been elected governor. He and his wife were invited to send their kids to schools in better districts. 
 
Sanford realized how unfair the system was. "If you can buy a $250,000 or $300,000 house, you're gonna get some great public education," Gov. Sanford said. Or if you have political connections. 
 
The Sanfords decided it was unfair to take advantage of their position as "first family" and ended up sending their kids to private school. "It's too important to me to sacrifice their education. I get one shot at it. If I don't pay very close attention to how my boys get educated then I've lost an opportunity to make them the best they can be in this world," Jenny Sanford said. 
 
The governor then proposed giving every parent in South Carolina that kind of choice, regardless of where they lived or whether they made a lot of money. He said state tax credits should help parents pay for private schools. Then they would have a choice. 
 
"The public has to know that there's an alternative there. It's just like, do you get a Sprint phone or an AT&T phone," Chavous said. 
 
He's right. When monopolies rule, there is little choice, and little gets done. In America the phone company was once a government-supported monopoly. All the phones were black, and all the calls expensive. With competition, things have changed — for the better. We pay less for phone calls. If we're unhappy with our phone service, we switch companies. 
 
Why can't kids benefit from similar competition in education? 
 
"People expect and demand choice in every other area of their life," Sanford said. 
 
The governor announced his plan last year and many parents cheered the idea, but school boards, teachers unions and politicians objected. PTAs even sent kids home with a letter saying, "Contact your legislator. How can we spend state money on something that hasn't been proven?" 
 
A lot of people say education tax credits and vouchers are a terrible idea, that they'll drain money from public schools and give it to private ones. 
 
Last week's Florida court ruling against vouchers came after teacher Ruth Holmes Cameron and advocacy groups brought a suit to block the program. 
 
"To say that competition is going to improve education? It's just not gonna work. You know competition is not for children. It's not for human beings. It's not for public education. It never has been, it never will be," Holmes said. 
 
Why not? Would you keep going back to a restaurant that served you a bad meal? Or a barber that gave you a bad haircut? What if the government assigned you to "your" grocery store. The store wouldn't have to compete for your business, and it would soon sell spoiled milk or stock only high profit items. Real estate agencies would sell houses advertising "neighborhood with a good grocery store." That's insane, and yet that's what America does with public schools. 
 
Chavous, who has worked to get more school choice in Washington, D.C., said, "Choice to me is the only way. I believe that we can force the system from an external vantage point to change itself. It will never change itself from within. … Unless there is some competition infused in the equation, unless that occurs, then they know they have a captive monopoly that they can continue to dominate." 
 
Competition inspires people to do what we didn't think we could do. If people got to choose their kids' school, education options would be endless. There could soon be technology schools, science schools, virtual schools where you learn at home on your computer, sports schools, music schools, schools that go all year, schools with uniforms, schools that open early and keep kids later, and, who knows what else. If there were competition, all kinds of new ideas would bloom. 
 
 
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For I will give you a mouth and wisdom... 
which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. Luk 21:15 
Jody ***Psalms 119***</div>

by **jesusphreak86** on Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:15 pm

Personally, I loved public schooling and I wouldn't have it any other way. It really let me meet and influence people for Christ who I never would have had contact with.

by **sherrimae** on Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:49 pm

I loved my public school education, but that was 30 years ago. I have a visually impaired daughter in public school, so they let me attend some of her classes. I am appalled at what I've seen in 4th grade, especially the math and reading classes. I don't think these kids will be prepared for middle school, let alone any schooling beyond that. 
 
If my daughter could make it in private school, we would send her there, but she couldn't keep up with the other kids. Our son, in 3rd grade at a catholic school, is getting a great education. I wouldn't move him into my daughter's public school for anything. In the 3rd grade, he is already doing more advanced work than our daughter's 4th grade class. 
 
I am glad there are Christians in public school to witness to the other kids. Sometimes it comes with a price though. My 10 year old daughter is regularly made fun of because she says a blessing before eating lunch. She says most of the other kids aren't interested in God.

by **jesusphreak86** on Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:55 pm

I think perhaps the best approach - and this is because the strongest Christians I knew at my school did this - is to do homeschooling/private school up until high school, then do public schooling all through high school. 
 
That way the kids grow a strong foundation in Christ, and then they are able to see what the real world is like and hopefully have an influence on others.

by **Bravo383** on Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:34 am

Teachers who encourage students to meet them surreptitiously after school, on out-of-town trips, and who give them marijuana or alcohol in exchange for sex.” 
 
 
 
But..... you have to ask yourself where are the parents? It just seems that if there were a stronger family base it would be harder to prey on these kids. 
 
My personal take is this: the schools are out of control, the teachers and students are out of control and the family base has been so corroded as to be practically non existant in many cases. 
 
Children need to know that they have boundaries, that their parents love them and each other. They need to know right from wrong but.... it just doesn't happen. I'm not laying this on the children by the way just pointing out that the failure in the family base makes it easier for these children to become victims.

by **Roberin80** on Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:16 am

I agree with bravo, 
 
The family unit as we knew it, is gone. A majority of kids are allowed to do anything they want, and those that know better feel like they are not as cool (peer pressured) if they don't have the same attitudes. Most parents just don't understand the root of the problem is disobediance, and self-esteem. Of course the kids aren't learning, they are too busy wondering what will happen to their social life if they don't act like their friends to fit in. Should they have a social life? Yes. Should they do well in school? Yes. Somehow the social life has to be rewired to promote success among the kids. 
 
The problem is everything today- t.v., internet, music, etc. that kids think is cool almost 99% of the time promotes some kind of sin. Whether it be lust, greed, hate, etc. it is all promoted by people who these kids look up to. I don't like censorship, but people should be held acountable for their influence on people who are too young to think for themselves, and do not have enough experience to know the real world outcomes of drugs, sexual relationships, etc. They lead to very bad places and unhappiness. 
 
It is not were the money is spent in the school system. Give an assignment to a kid who wants to learn, and has a library card, and he will get it done. You can't teach people who think that it is useless to work hard, when all they see is the most famous role models making money for being the most hateful, or the most immoral people around. No matter how many kids are in the class, no matter how many books you have, computers, games that make learning fun, exciting teachers, THESE KIDS HAVE BEEN PREOGRAMMED TO DISLIKE SCHOOL. 
 
Kids who do well in private schools, or who do well in public schools usually have parents who are successful and have been taught what true success is, and that it takes hard work and obedience to those in charge. 
 
I am simply starting to rant. I will sum it up with this. The school system isn't what needs to be revamped, the entire world needs to be. Thank the Lord we are closer to it today, than we were yesterday. 
 
With Love, 
Robert

by DP on Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:37 am

Even private schools have thier problems. We send our daughter to a Christian private school. She is in 4th grade and I'll tell you, they still have some of the same problems as the public schools, just not quite as bad. Problems nontheless. I am also VERY disappointed in the education she is getting. While better than public schools, I am still not happy. There have been so many problems and disappointments this year that my wife and I have decided that we will homeschool next year. Our daughter is also a competitive level 7 gymnast. At that level the only way to be successful is to homeschool. I suspect that some (certainly not all) of the problems she has had this year in school is due to gymnastics, so homeschooling will give her some relief. My wife an I have come to the conclusion that is our responibility to make sure our children are properly educated not somebody elses responsibility and certainly not the governments. To us, government education is a very scary notion and unbiblical. 
 
The Bible is very specific regarding the manner in which Christian parents are to bring up covenant children. Paul tells Christian fathers, "fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord" (Eph. 6:4). Deuteronomy 6:6-9 reads, "And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates." 
 
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“Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight” (Psalm 144:1)

by **jesusphreak86** on Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:46 am

Well, one of the big problems with private schooling is there are a lot of BAD kids in private schooling because parents take thier kid out of public schooling becuase they are so bad and they hope that putting them in private school will help. 
 
Usually it just means the bad kids rub off on others. 
 
Like I said, I wouldn't trade my public schooling for a second. I had some amazing experiences there, and one thing I have noticed about home schoolers is honestly they are pretty sheltered. They get older and they just don't relate to people as well and its harder for them to understand them. Both of these things are crucial when it comes to sharing Christ. 
 
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Bible is very specific regarding the manner in which Christian parents are to bring up covenant children. Paul tells Christian fathers, "fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord" (Eph. 6:4). Deuteronomy 6:6-9 reads, "And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates."<hr></blockquote> 
 
And you know, I totally agree with these verses, but they don't have to do with schooling. They have to do with how Christian parents should raise their kids, but not necessarily how Christian children should learn to relate to the world or how they should be educated. Honestly, there's a reason they hire teachers and its because they go to school in order to be teachers. They know their stuff and they know what they are doing. No matter how hard you try, in most cases, homeschooling simply isn't going to be nearly as an effective education as trained professionals who do the educating. 
 
You can raise your child up in Christ and they still attend a public school.

by DP on Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:08 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>homeschooling simply isn't going to be nearly as an effective education as trained professionals who do the educating.<hr></blockquote> 
 
I'm sorry, I have to disagree. Test scores would also disagree as well. Homeschoolers typically outperform public and private schools by 30-37 percentile points on national standardized tests. 
 
<a href="http://nche.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp" target="top">Academic Statistics on Homeschooling</a> --------------- 
“Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight” (Psalm 144:1)

by **jesusphreak86** on Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:36 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'm sorry, I have to disagree. Test scores would also disagree as well. Homeschoolers typically outperform public and private schools by 30-37 percentile points on national standardized tests. 
 
Academic Statistics on Homeschooling<hr></blockquote> 
 
I think that's more of a reflection on the fact that just about anyone attends public school as opposed to a children with concerned parents generally attend homeschool. I think the education itself is likely still better and more well-rounded.

by DP on Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:15 am

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. --------------- 
“Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight” (Psalm 144:1)

Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

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Re: Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

Re: Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

Re: Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

Re: Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

Re: Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

Re: Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

Re: Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

Re: Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

Re: Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

Re: Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

Re: Sexual abuse bias for public school teachers

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